Game of Thrones, Season 7 (Spoilers)

Probably Cersei. And maybe Jaime will be the one to kill her.

Consider the scene in last week's episode. Jaime is correct to point out that the Lannisters are basically without any allies. The crown controls, at best, the Crownlands, the Westerlands, and the Stormlands (since House Baratheon is now extinct). Euron can provide ships, but not much else.

The situation is desperate, so Cersei is going to resort to something crazy to hold on to power. Just as Jaime killed the Mad King, rather than let him burn King's Landing with wildfire, he might have to do the same with Cersei.

I hear Cersei is going to try to find some new friends by trying to find lords to defect from the south. Randal Tarly seems like a good guess as he hates the Targs. Also last episode Jamie said he needed food for his Army and that he could get it from the people in the south so I expect they will strike to the south.

I'm hoping we don't get more Sheeran moments. It was so shoved in, think it was the first time GoT has made me wince without use of bodily parts being abused.

I'm also curious if they're going to do something a little more left field with Arya's ability - the Mountain is a zombie, and there's an army of the dead heading towards the wall, so that should offer the imagination a few ideas.

As for allies for Cersei, there are some potential ones in Essos that Arya and Dany have irked. The Faceless Men, the magicians Dany flame-grilled, the slavers...

I would like to see a new series based on some of the unexplored areas of the World... like the eastern part of Essos or the continent of Sothoryos.

We never really get to learn much about Asshai or the Shadow Lands beyond it. It's not clear if the White Walkers or the Long Night were ever a threat to the people in the East. Its speculated that White Walkers or something like them exist in the far northeast of Essos that has never been explored

I was just on AWOIAF this week and reading about Ashai. The Red Woman and her religion oriniated there. To learn more about that would be fascinating.

Jesus tonight's episode was dark. And I don't mean in tone. I mean literally it seemed every scene was in the dark.

Look I know they are living in a medieval era but come on..... give us the viewers a little more light to see what the hell is going on more clearly.

Wow. This season is going to be fun. No wasting time. Lots of reunions and first meetings. Huge battle.

I'm pissed at Euron though. He interrupted a potentially awesome lesbian sex scene! Now we will never know how that would have gone down.

Plotlines are converging very quickly. I just read that GRRM may need a couple more months to finish the next book.

So these last 3 seasons seem to be condensing A LOT of material. I wonder if the books will just start to go in an entirely different direction altogether.

Liked Sam's meta joke about the naming of the series.

Not everybody read the books.
And like Dinner said. Catapults, scorpions, mangonels, trebuchets, ballistas... That's the artillery to which I refer.

Well last nights episode showed you how they do it.

Not in the tv series but it is hinted at in the books and in the world atlas. There is some really cool stuff in the world atlas like how white walkers and the army of the dead did operate there, how the children used to live there and how humans took to cutting down all the trees in some lands as the children use the trees to see, how there used to be a land bridge between Westeros and Essos but the chrildren used magic to break the "broken arm" (the land bridge) then when the first men came to westeros the children tried to do it again at the neck (the narrow swampy area between the North and the Riverlands) but failed.

Wow! What an episode!! The dragons and action scenes are always great but what really draws me in is the politics in the show and this one was full of that.

It's about time that Danaerys addressed Varys' misdeeds towards her. I always wondered how she cast Jorah out for spying on her and Visaerys but welcomed the guy he reported to without question. I like how she shut Tyrion down for trying to defend him too.

I really enjoyed The Northern Lords expressing their doubts and concerns about Jon Snow meeting Danaerys. when you sit there and think about it, not even counting Robb Stark, the last three Lords of Winterfell that went to King's Landing all died at the hands of the ruling party there. You can't really blame them for advising against Jon leaving.... and the hope is that they don't loose faith in Jon's leadership. And why in the world is Jon so hostile towards Littlefinger? We all know the snake in the grass Littlefinger is but these two characters never interacted before. As far as I know, I don't know of anyone who ever spoke a cautionary word about Littlefinger to Jon. But it was fun to see a Stark at the throat of Littlefinger once again.

It was also fun to see Cersei and Jaimie trying to recruit Randall Tarly to fight against the Tyrell army. Tarly was the only general that beat Robert Baratheon in battle during his rebellion. So he's a solidified badass and I figured he'd be a key figure in the war for King's Landing. I wonder when will he realize that his Valarian steel sword is missing. I noticed that the key to recruiting him was by painting Danaerys' army as a hoard of foreign invaders and seeing that Tyrion was anticipating that already was so good. It will be interesting to see what happens when/if the attack occurs and see Tarly vs Tyrell.

Euron Greyjoy is now an official badass. I don't know why the Sand Snakes irritated me so much but every last single line they've ever had in the history of this show just stuck out like a sore thumb. "Corny" is the only word that comes to mind. So the Greyjoys are no more... There is no reason that he would keep Yara alive.... and in addition to Cersei and Littlefinger dying this year, I think Theon is now on that list too. There's just seems to be no coming back from him turning tail and running from someone attacking his sister like that, IMHO. He has nothing else to lose, IMHO.

Not sure what they have in mind for Jorah Mormont, but he seems to be poised to play a pivotal role. Sam too. This show is now firing on all cylinders!

... So, George R.R. Martin did a recent interview with TIME Magazine just before the premiere. It's a great read, but I just wanted to share a particular part that blew my mind:

Did Lady Stoneheart come about because it was hard to say a permanent goodbye to Catelyn?

Yeah, maybe. That may have been part of it. Part of it was also, it’s the dialogue that I was talking about. And here I’ve got to get back to Tolkien again. And I’m going to seem like I’m criticizing him, which I guess I am. It’s always bothered me that Gandalf comes back from the dead. The Red Wedding for me in Lord of the Rings is the mines of Moria, and when Gandalf falls — it’s a devastating moment! I didn’t see it coming at 13 years old, it just totally took me by surprise. Gandalf can’t die! He’s the guy that knows all of the things that are happening! He’s one of the main heroes here! Oh god, what are they going to do without Gandalf? Now it’s just the hobbits?! And Boromir, and Aragorn? Well, maybe Aragorn will do, but it’s just a huge moment. A huge emotional investment.

And then in the next book, he shows up again, and it was six months between the American publications of those books, which seemed like a million years to me. So all that time I thought Gandalf was dead, and now he’s back and now he’s Gandalf the White. And, ehh, he’s more or less the same as always, except he’s more powerful. It always felt a little bit like a cheat to me. And as I got older and considered it more, it also seemed to me that death doesn’t make you more powerful. That’s, in some ways, me talking to Tolkien in the dialogue, saying, “Yeah, if someone comes back from being dead, especially if they suffer a violent, traumatic death, they’re not going to come back as nice as ever." That’s what I was trying to do, and am still trying to do, with the Lady Stoneheart character.

And Jon Snow, too, is drained by the experience of coming back from the dead on the show.

Right. And poor Beric Dondarrion, who was set up as the foreshadowing of all this, every time he’s a little less Beric. His memories are fading, he’s got all these scars, he’s becoming more and more physically hideous, because he’s not a living human being anymore. His heart isn’t beating, his blood isn’t flowing in his veins, he’s a wight, but a wight animated by fire instead of by ice, now we’re getting back to the whole fire and ice thing.


Whoa!! So what does this mean for Jon? Is that why they skipped the entire "Lady Stoneheart" plot? Is it possible that they've changed such a major detail in the show? Is Jon nothing more than a Fire Wight?

if you're gonna pull off that naval battle on a TV budget (no matter how big) you have to make it dark. hides the necessary fakery that would take you right out of the action.

i'm enjoying the quicker pace. things finally happening before episode 7 of each season. other than that, good one. surprise attack worked well for me and they conveyed the attacked's surprise well too. chaos and fast cuts, saves money and gives a sense of realiam.

You answered your own question.

Theon will be back. He's going to die a hero IMHO. Somehow someway he will make up for what he's done.

Be hilarious if he was the Prince that was promised.

It wasn't just the naval battle. It was the whole episode.

Yeah, Theon was in an unwinnable situation (if he charges, his sister dies and maybe he does too). He'll be back.

Plus given what he was seeing I'd say Theon who probably has PTSD freaked out and ran.

In much the same way that the Hound ran during the Battle at Kings Landing.

Was thinking something similar, his path if not an outright redemption might be that of a sort of 'Gollum,' his role to play key in foiling/helping another critical plot point during some 'battle' or climax.

Yep, agreed; missed this post between Zombie's.

The grilling of Varys was deserved, but the timing seemed random -- well after she had already accepted his help and council. That was a bit forced.

Jon probably dislikes Littlefinger for betraying Ned Stark in the first season.

So did anyone pay attention to the opening credits? It seems like they changed it a bit so that the sea next to the wall by Castle Black is icing over. In s7e1 the Hound, during his vision in the flames, said he saw the Army of the dead walking past the wall. Maybe over the frozen ocean?

I always thought Bran going through the wall would cause the wall's magic to fail just like he caused the magic of the children to fail at the tree caverns. Maybe I was wrong.

1) Sansa and Jon spoke at Winterfell about how "Only a fool would trust Littlefinger."

2) I think Theon will end up saving his sister like she tried to save him from Ramsey Bolton. Also, Euron needs both the Dornish woman and his neice alive to give them as a gift to Cersei.

Someone on Facebook(?) I think pointed that out from last week's opening credits. It's definitely there this week.

I saw a youtube video from the Talking Thrones channel and he should how last season that section of ocean by the wall was blue water but now it really does look like it is frozen over.

Thinking back on it, she probably always had her doubts about Varys and decided to confront him when she felt his usefulness was over. Pretty clever, IMHO.

Jon has no way of knowing that Littlefinger betrayed Ned as far as I know.

I'm sure Theon will have some sort of redeeming arc, but I suspect that it will result in his death by saving Yara.

I understand that Illarya is Euron's gift to Cersei, but with Yara contesting his claim to the kingdom of Pyke, he's silly to leave her alive, IMHO.

Not really. He probably expects Cersi to have Yara killed.

Not sure why Cersei would consider Yara a gift... But Illarya killed Marcella. Seems like they kept Yara alive just so she could be rescued later... but OK.

I figured out why Jon may have been angry at the thought of Littlefinger going after Sansa... He was the one that brokered the marriage between her and Ramsey in the first place. So yeah... I get that now.

Maybe I missed it but no one has anything to say about how awesome Missandei looked naked?