An interesting argument that is, unfortunately, all to rare.

Like with black people and Democrats?

Nah, I'm not a bear kind of guy.

I think, living in Trumpmerica as I do, that I might as well just reconvert to Christianity and go with the flow. I just don't have the energy to be liberal anymore.

So you're into twinks, eh? I bet of the barely legal variety, too.

That doesn't surprise me one bit.

Maybe you should try being a libertarian.

I don' have any desire to convert or convince any of the racist, homophobic shitbags on the right. They want to wallow in ignorance fucking let em. We should focus more on motivating our side to get out and vote than wasting breath on the willfully ignorant. Let them go the way of native Americans with trailer parks and the deep south the new reservations. Bastions of bitterness and alcoholism.

I just prefer the more feminine type, or someone who is more androgynous. So I don't find the super muscled, ultra hairy biker types attractive. Not to stereotype big hairy dudes, but I also don't find hyper-masculinity attractive, either.
I'm attracted to high levels of intelligence, and someone with emotional maturity. Someone who is 18-20 can be pretty, sure, but what are we going to talk about? How are we going to connect on an intellectual level? I talk about the past several decades of my life, they talk about how much college sucks. Where does that get interesting?

I don't like beards. Facial hair is okay, depending on what it is, but if it's a full beard, I'm out.

SO MUCH FOR THE TOLERANT LEFT

Sorry I read it as a beer guy.

Why do you hate Gandalf and Dumbledore? Merlin's beard!

Pretty much. Right now, the Religious Right Wing is playing the religious liberty card so hard that they don’ t get it that, according to the Supreme Court, no one is really obligated to follow theirs or anyone else’s. Though they are exposed to the same education as the rest of us, they are taught in their churches that they are first in line. Then they wonder in anger why this is often not the case. I used to live in South Dakota. The whole state is a ghetto that is very white with a small Native American minority. They believe as they do because the state is a ghetto and they are never exposed to those who are different from themselves.

SO MUCH FOR THE TOLERANT LEFT!

You say that like it's a bad thing.

He's saying he wants to leave them alone. How the hell is that not tolerant?

Calling them "racist, homophobic shitbags" is a clue.

But he's talking about tolerating the racist, homophobic shitbags.

Oh sorry, was he not politically correct enough for you righties?

for some people "fuck religion" is an absolute.

But for many people, in the context of a political discussion such as found in the OP, when they say "fuck your religion" what they really mean is "your religion has no place informing political policies which apply to people who do not share it"

For example - saying "my religion says same-sex marriage is sinful" is FINE...just don't marry another dude and you're golden.
BUT
Saying "my religion says same-sex marriage is sinful therefore we must legally bar ANYONE from having one" is bullshit and it is the latter that provokes people to say "fuck your religion"

the genius of Paul Wyrich.

When it became unfashionable to be openly racist the 70's, they needed a different rallying cry. After the Bob Jones decision they were incensed but "Christian" voters were largely unmotivated. Until he and his fellow conspirators came up with the idea of using abortion (which the Evangelical church had no real problem with previously) - they managed to brainwash an entire generation that liberals were evil personified because they wanted to kill precious babies in the womb and it stuck.

That rhetoric is the cornerstone of everything the Pharisees have accomplished since, reach it's peak with the folks who say that they can't vote for a Democrat baby-killer under ANY circumstances.

Yeah, @Ancalagon cleared that up for me. I was thinking "fuck your religion" in general.

Welcome to 90% of my family.

If you kill all those precious babies, who will Roy Moore have to fuck!?
Think of the children!!

When you can't refute somebody's point with facts, just whine about how rude they were for saying it.

Maybe it's the pre-millennial dispensationalist in me, but trying to establish the Kingdom of God on Earth (by making sure those fags can't marry, etc.) seems pretty futile to me. If I were Christian I would try to live as Christ-like an existence as I could and leave it at that. Imposing Biblical law on society--or trying to--doesn't jibe with my understanding of who Christ was or what he wanted.

I watched some of the video and have to concur that the first step is to realise that while these people may misdirect their anger, these people have legitimate grievances - stagnating wages, increasing debt, and lack of access to healthcare and education.

They take refuge in religion and other bullshit and you're not going to get them to abandon it overnight, but you can weaken their commitment to it by giving them alternative outlets.

Of course, since both business parties are for the most part intent on deepening the problems, I'm not sure how you persuade them to redirect said anger in the "correct" way without fundamentally altering policies.

Van Jones isn't doing any of that. Did you even watch the video? Hint: He was in the Obama administration.

You are claiming a Democrat couldn't refut his own policies? Obviously, you also did not watch the video because he was talking about how both sides need to remember how to disagree without being disagreeable.

It is amazing how willfully blind some people are. No, this isn't just a problem among the other side.