Mueller Investigation

Except Comey did.

Comey is reported as telling Congress that Flynn didn't purposely lie to the FBI.

It was Mueller seven months later that went back and changed that.

So if Comey was right, why did Flynn plead guilty to doing what Comey said he didn't' do?

Flynn was facing possible charges for other things. His son was also facing possible charges. He's going bankrupt. His family is demanding he just give in and stop fighting.

Mueller thinks Flynn's testimony on something else is good enough that he's willing to cut him a deal. He's charging him with the crime that would get Flynn the least amount of time in jail. Flynn, on this charge of lying, but now cooperating with the Feds, could get between zero and six months in jail.

That's far better than facing years in prison for anything else that Flynn may have done. Like participating in a plot to kidnap someone and ship them to a foreign country.

So Flynn gets off on everything else, saves his sons neck, and eases his financial situation.

Would you not take that deal?

I disagree. Presidents have attended fund raisers and help lend their support to all manner of causes during my life time. If Trump wanted to do so he could have done so. Trump did not because he is a self centered malignant narcissist who does not give a shit about anyone else.

He stupidly thought he could simply throw Flynn under the bus and that would be the end of it. Unfortunately, Flynn knows about Trump's criminal wrong doing, just like Manafort does, so that came back to bite the idiot Trump on the ass because... Trump is a really stupid person.

Normal people would think "he could put me in jail so I have to atleast pretend to be loyal to him" but Trump doesn't have enough sense to even do that. He is just that stupid.

Can you please post a link to this statement and its context?

https://www.mediamatters.org/video/...sounding-perhaps-black-and-white-court/218719

Somebody leaked emails to the NYT, and buried in the article was this interesting quote from one of them.

The "she" who wrote that in an email was KT McFarland. Trump's Deputy National Security Advisor (which means she worked for Flynn) and current nominee to be the US ambassador to Singapore.

At the very least this is a


moment, if not a moment.

So, yeah.

No quotes, but instead 4th hand from a Fox personality.

Forgive me for not taking that seriously.

And once again, do you think it unreasonable that in 9 months Mueller learned some things Comey didn't know?

Isn't it weird how every new charge and guilty plea apparently mean absolutely nothing according to certain people?

Ah but if she works for NY Times you take it as gospel. You sure as hell take everything else that is garnered from behind close doors or is leaked as gospel as long as it's reported by someone you like. This reporter has never done anything but serious work and is not one of Foxnews goofballs.

You're not allowed to quote any news organization that reports anything gathered from behind closed doors or is leaked anymore or else you're a hypocrite.

Wait..... who am I kidding you are a hypocrite.

Are you actually reading my posts?

https://wordforge.net/index.php?thr...onald-trump-get-indicted.114496/#post-3003981

Here, I'll help you out:
It's not looking good for Kushner if the reports out today are accurate.

Does that sound like taking something as gospel to you?

Now for the third time, why is it unreasonable for Mueller to have learned something in the last 9 months of investigation that could make him come to a different conclusion?

I want Trump gone as much as anyone. But, if the issue is Flynn communicating with the Russian government while he was employed with the then President-Elect's Transition Team, this is a non-starter. That said, Mueller is no idiot. Surely, surely there's more to it than that.

Can you read?

Because if you had bothered I had said in a previous post that Kushner is the the one whose next on the list.

Mueller didn't reach a different conclusion. Mueller's goal is to ruin Trump either for 2020 or by impeachment and removal.

Flynn is just a stepping stone on that journey. Mueller believes that his testimony on something else will further Mueller's crusade.

Mueller isn't going to flip Flynn with a long prison sentence. So Mueller goes back to the FBI interview with Flynn and decides to use that as the tool to get Flynn to flip. "Plead guilty to this tiny charge that won't get you more than six months in jail at maximum in exchange for your testimony. Otherwise we drop the hammer on you and your son and you both spend a decade or more in prison."

What would you do in that situation?

I feel like Flynn really made a mistake in not naming his company Flynntel.

Well it has to be something other than Flynn's contact with Russia. That really is a non-issue. Mueller would have to be crazy to say that Flynn's contact with Russia while on the transition team is illegal because it would be so easy for Trump's administration to pull up the records of just the Obama administration to show that Obama's team and Obama himself was doing the same thing.

Flynn must have something that Mueller thinks is good enough to get Kushner.

Wow.

That's a serious slap on the wrist.

Good for them. Bad for Ross.

He's always been a stand-up guy. He just fucked up this time.

Actually it's his second major fuck up.

This is the guy who said that the Aurora theater mass shooter was a Tea Party guy.

Flynn is facing five years, dumb shit, and he was facing much, much more. Your problem is you cannot accept facts or reality. You are so hyper partisan you are making things up in order to avoid facts and reality. The fact is Mueller is a god damned boy scout who has served in Republican and Democratic administrations and he is the rare person where everyone, no matter their political affiliation, agree he is abobe reproach. Now, the hyper partisan right wing media and the mentally broken wing nuts are making up lies about Mueller largely because, like you, they are unable to except the reality of Trump's criminality so they are lying and making things up. It is a true mental disorder and you are certainly show it as well.

Flynn is facing five years if he fails to cooperate. Five years is the maximum of what you get for a regular conviction. Plus if he fails to cooperate no doubt Mueller will drop other charges on him which is how he would be facing more than a decade in prison.

If he goes through with his end of the deal he gets between zero and 6 months.

"Court documents say prosecutors anticipate guidelines of between zero and six months in prison and a fine of between $500 and $9,500."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/j...secutors-for-lighter-sentence/article/2642298

Apparently you don't understand how deals work.

A non-deal conviction would be anywhere from zero to 5 years which is the maximum for what Flynn is currently charged with. (he'd also face more time from other charges for other things being brought into play due to his non-cooperation)

A conviction in which the defendant actively assists the prosecutors in another related case results in a less severe sentence.

If Flynn holds to his end of the deal he will probably not get more than 6 months. It's more likely he will get zero time and just be put on probation.

Mueller's deal with Flynn is that Flynn pleads guilty to this charge and gets between zero and six months in jail in exchange for Flynn's complete cooperation OR if Flynn doesn't take the deal not only does he face a full five year sentence but Mueller will bring other charges for others things into play and Flynn faces more than a decade in prison at that point.

Oh and if in the middle of the deal Flynn starts acting stupid the judge will probably be very severe with him and give him five years max. You don't make a deal and than break it in a criminal case. Judges don't like that.

What I wrote was accurate, so feel free at anytime to admit that you were wrong.

Why would the Trump Administration hire a guy like that? Wasn't everyone on both sides of the aisle singing his praises right after he was appointed?

The right has chewed on tinfoil for the past 16 years, it's almost impossible to break the habit now.

To me this is where Trump's inexperience with DC has hurt him most.

Mueller is part of the swamp that is DC. Mueller doesn't want Trump in office anymore than most others in the DC Swamp.

Trump's firing of Comey led Rod Rosenstein the deputy attorney general to appoint Mueller. Trump had no real say in it. Sessions had recused himself at that point. Trump would have been in real hot water had he immediately fired Mueller. The Senate had said it would vote and appoint Mueller itself if that happened.

So he got himself stuck with Mueller after sacking Comey. The administration didn't hire him on purpose or even ask for him.

And yeah both sides were kissing Mueller's ass. Let's be blunt about it: The Democrats and a whole lot of Republicans hoping Mueller finds the key to getting Trump's ass booted out of the White House. The Republicans are looking at Pence as their savior.

@Dinner

No reply to this fact:

"Court documents say prosecutors anticipate guidelines of between zero and six months in prison and a fine of between $500 and $9,500."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/j...secutors-for-lighter-sentence/article/2642298

I know you've seen it.

Admit you were wrong.

Trump is the swamp and Mueller is the one draining the swamp.

I did not know that. I had read the charge was up to five years. We shall see.

What exactly is the swamp? At first I thought it was referring to all the corporate interests, but that can't be it, because under Trump, Goldman Sachs practically runs the place now.

an analysis I've heard is that basically Mueller is still holding cards in reserve - if Flynn doesn't give him the meaty information he's got, they can always go ahead and file other charges.