Mueller Investigation

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  1. Ancalagon

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    That's not really how it works. The description leads off with 'Official account of...' denoting it is the official and not personal account.

    So responsibility would be in hiring/retaining me, but not for the tweet itself.
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  2. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    But the description for Trump's account is "therealdonaldtrump". The implication is that it's not someone pretending to be Donald Trump.
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  3. Nova

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    Yes but Trump treats us to a daily dose of sociopathy and now we're being asked to believe that it is, often, stagecraft faux sociopathy

    That's kind of out there.
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    Here's one lawyer's take on that:


    I've seen other tweets by lawyers which indicate that if Trump didn't write the tweet (and an actual lawyer did), then this is even worse for him. I don't know, and I'm not about to speculate what it all means.
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  5. Quincunx

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    He deliberately erodes Americans’ respect for our government and public institutions. Yesterday he tweeted about the “Justice” department. In quotes. His routine attacks on the free press are designed to make it easier to pass off alternative facts as the truth. He flouts the norms of presidential behavior, denigrating the dignity of the office and lowering our standing in the world community. He is a one-man wrecking ball, laying waste to our republic. The “swamp” is the only thing standing between Trump and absolute despotism.


    Ass backwards. We want to “get” Trump to save the country.
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  6. Fisherman's Worf

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    Don't worry, Pence's horse is definitely nailing him.
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  7. Ancalagon

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    Here is an article from Aug. '16 about how the iPhone tweets are staff and Samsung Galaxy tweets Trump:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...ite-trumps-tweets-he-writes-the-angrier-ones/

    Maybe it's just b/c of my job, but I feel like this is all known info.
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  8. Order2Chaos

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    Soon as Trump signs the tax reform, he's deadweight. With convincing enough evidence, if the House impeaches, I'd expect the Senate to convict.
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    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42209758

    Trump is changing his tune yet again. He has gone to there is absolutely nothing to see and denying all involvement with Russia's attempts to influence the election in Trump's favor to now admitting there was some involvement but claiming it was all legal.

    If everything was so great and above board why spend a year denying it and lying about it?
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    Peter Strzok, the FBI agent removed from Mueller's team......

    #1 Lead agent on Clinton emails scandal. Was the one who interviewed her, not under oath, and not recorded. Days after his interview Comey would clear her.

    #2 Lead agent on Mueller's team to investigate Russia collusion. Until he was removed.

    #3 Lead contact with Christopher Steele author of the infamous Russian Dossier on Trump.

    #4 Having an affair with Linda Page, also on Mueller's team, and while having said affair trading messages of how they hate Donald Trump and love Hillary Clinton.

    #5 Having an affair with Linda Page while he was investigating Clinton's emails. Also trading messages back and forth about the dislike of Trump and the love for Clinton.

    Mueller upon finding out about this had him removed. Mueller realized how amazingly bad this would look on his investigation. Linda Page left Mueller's team two weeks before he found out about her and Strzok.

    The IG report on Strzok is coming soon. Probably why it's started leaking out as well. People are trying to get ahead of it.

    Perhaps it's time to have a special prosecutor to go back over Clinton's email issues. It would appear that the investigation the first time around was tainted by a supporter. :waiting:
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    He was removed because he unlawfully shared info with his then mistress who he was having an extra marital affair with. Mueller seems to run a tight ship and does not like leeks or pillow talk plus the guy is stupid and used text messages which were easily tracked down.
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    :lol:

    The moment that happens the Republican party can kiss 2018, 2020, 2022, and 2024 goodbye.

    The evidence better be him on the phone taking direct orders from Putin. Since we both know that hasn't happened what evidence out there now is not good enough because there simply is no evidence. So impeachment and conviction would be a farce and everyone would know it. Republicans would pay the price for it. Badly.
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    Word of the messages and the affair were news to Nunes, even though the committee had issued a subpoena that covered information about Strzok's demotion more than three months ago. The committee's broadly worded subpoena for information related to the so-called Trump dossier went to the FBI and FOJ on Aug. 24. In follow-up conversations on the scope of the subpoena, committee staff told the FBI and DOJ that it included information on the circumstances of Strzok's reassignment.

    On Oct. 11, Nunes met with deputy attorney general Rod Rosenstein. In that meeting, Nunes specifically discussed the committee's request for information about Strzok.

    In an Oct. 31 committee staff meeting with the FBI, bureau officials refused a request for information about Strzok.

    On Nov. 20, the committee again requested an interview with Strzok. (Three days earlier, on November 17, Strzok met with the Senate Intelligence Committee.)

    On Nov. 29, Nunes again spoke to Rosenstein, and again discussed Strzok.

    On Dec. 1, the committee again requested to speak with Strzok.

    After each occasion, the FBI and DOJ did nothing. Now, in what appears to be an orchestrated leak, both the Post and Times published the reason for Strzok's demotion, along with concerns that the revelation might help President Trump

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    "By hiding from Congress, and from the American people, documented political bias by a key FBI head investigator for both the Russia collusion probe and the Clinton email investigation, the FBI and DOJ engaged in a willful attempt to thwart Congress' constitutional oversight responsibility," Nunes said in a statement Saturday afternoon. "This is part of a months-long pattern by the DOJ and FBI of stonewalling and obstructing this committee's oversight work, particularly oversight of their use of the Steele dossier. At this point, these agencies should be investigating themselves."

    To add insult to injury, at just the moment the leaked stories appeared, the Justice Department out of the blue notified Nunes that it would meet some of the committee's demands for information that it had been refusing for months. That didn't make the chairman happy, either.

    "The DOJ has now expressed -- on a Saturday, just hours after the press reports on Strzok's dismissal appeared -- a sudden willingness to comply with some of the committee's long-standing demands," Nunes said in the statement. "This attempted 11th-hour accommodation is neither credible nor believable, and in fact is yet another example of the DOJ's disingenuousness and obstruction."

    As a result, Nunes said he has instructed committee staff to draw up a contempt of Congress citation for Rosenstein and for FBI Director Christopher Wray. The chairman promised to take action on the citation before the end of December unless the FBI and DOJ meet all the committee's outstanding demands.

    Obviously Nunes is angry that he did not know about the real reasons for Strzok's demotion. And he is equally angry with the FBI's and DOJ's treatment of the committee. Contempt of Congress is a big move for lawmakers to take, especially against an agency controlled by the same party as leaders of the House. But remember, House Speaker Paul Ryan has already said the FBI and DOJ "stonewalled" the House, and he demanded that it comply immediately. That was five weeks ago. Now, after this latest episode, it seems likely that leaders in Congress are becoming increasingly frustrated with what they see as the FBI and DOJ jerking lawmakers around. At some point, they will act.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/b...r-demoted-for-anti-trump-bias/article/2642387
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    Your desperation is showing. Our hanging your hook on a nothing burger hoping it will distract the simple minded from the fact that Trump has been lying the whole time and did colkude with a hostile foreign power to undermine American democracy.
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    Play dumb all you want but Trump explicitly was offering sanctions being lifted in exchange for Russia hacking the DNC and running a disinformation campaign for Trump.
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    :shrug: It's what I've been hearing thirdhand ultimately from congressional staffers for months - pretty much everyone in Congress, Republicans included, hate Trump, but they need a win they can take to the 2018 primaries, which they'd never get if Trump was impeached. Now that tax reform is passed (almost), we'll see if it's true.
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    I don't know, it's a long way to 2018. As my boss likes to say, "what have you done for me lately?"
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    It's 4 months to primary season. That's short enough.
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    If nothing else, Zombie has done us a favour by making it very easy to link to an example of a Russian troll account. Before I was having to stitch a few of the 'tards at Politico together since they usually stick to the "But... DEMS!!" or "Lol nothing to see!" schtick but not both.
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    Maybe. But what those congressional staffers don't understand is people hate the GOP. Throwing Trump overboard on flimsy charges would infuriate the voters.
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    :lol:

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    It will be part of Flynn's testimony. Everyone who has paid attention knows that was the deal.
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    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    The thing is, removing Pence as well would tee Ryan up for a presidential run of his own and, depending on the timing (and assuming he won), he could run for two terms of his very own.

    That takes us up to 2028. Give that some thought.

    It's not like the Nixon debacle, where Agnew resigned first, and the Last Honest Republican (IMO), Gerald Ford, was able to fill in.
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    Not to worry.

    In the really unlikely scenario that Trump and Pence both got removed at the same time and Paul Ryan took over he would not win in 2020.

    Paul Ryan is not liked by a large swath of Republican voters.
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    :lmao:

    Delusional. No really. You are.
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    Well, this is interesting.
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    What should he have done? Declared it a witch-hunt on Twitter, attempted to coerce someone to "go easy on him" and then, faced with insurmountable evidence, wait for him to resign rather than firing him?

    :diacanu:
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    So if we take this email at it's face value......

    Than Putin/Russia had no contact with Trump and the campaign and were looking for ways to make a connection.

    Jared Kushner rejected the overture.
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    It may not be unusual, but the Tweet can still be legally used against him. By this point, he has adopted the words of an authorized agent by not deleting the Tweet. And those words essentially admitted to obstructing justice. If one of Trump's lawyers really did Tweet this, that lawyer is also risking disbarment.

    It's different than you Tweeting for your CEO--unless I'm mistaken, you are not a legal representative and agent for your CEO. This wasn't Trump's PR person making a statement, it was allegedly his lawyer.

    Regardless of who is Tweeting with Trump's account, these words can be used against Trump. But it is unlikely anything will come of this because our country is hopelessly broken at this point.
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