Nazi-punching split from meme thread

Or else maybe a consistent standard of "Cannot initiate violence against someone for merely offending you" is just too constraining for some self-important asshats.

Do you have some kind of bat signal that alerts you whenever a fascist needs you to leap bravely to their defense?

That's the entire point.

And yet so many shitbags miss the point entirely when they grant themselves special permission to initiate.

always the other guy who starts it, eh?

predictable.

I think, individually, it's just standing up for people who can't stand up for themselves - like if you see something you know isn't right, rather than walking away, say something.

It's usually guy who swings first who starts it.

Saying something is fine. Putting hands on someone for offending you is not.

Not sure anyone said anything about putting your hands on someone. The problem is, if you do say something, the asshole is 50/50 possibly going to put his hands on you. This is why most people don't say anything.

Wait. I see what I'm missing. People like 14th doctor saying stupid shit about punching Nazis. People talking shit is just people talking shit. Ignore them.

It's the old chestnut where a "fascist" label absolves you of all responsibility for what you do to someone. No. You initiate violence, you are the aggressor and you are in the wrong.

When people like 14th doctor say shit, this is what I'm thinking. IQ of the characters pictured notwithstanding.

That's the correct approach, but it has fallen out of fashion.

Only in the minds of those who wish they were big enough/tough enough to actually punch someone.

Depends.
If they're saying "that guy is an n-bomb" then to fuck with them.
If they're saying "that guy is an n-bomb and I'm going to burn his house down" then we've got issues.

No, in UA's world you have to wait until the house is on fire or the Jews are in the gas chamber before you can punch them. Possibly not even until there's been a full investigation.

Stupid is as stupid does. In this case, making shit up without actually reading posts is stupid.

No, in reality you do not get to conflate offending you with threatening you, for the purpose of claiming "victimhood" and initiating violence.

Why do you contribute to their stupidity?

well, that and who you choose to believe swung first.

I mean, the last yellow vest/brown shirt I knocked out a few years back at a demo was in the process of assaulting a young woman before I went at him.

Of course that turned into a multi person brawl...

"who swung first" is a matter of how far you rewind.

If they'd stayed home, we would have too /shrug.

so lemme get this right... in the second pic we've got the big guy causing distress to others, gets asked to stop causing distress, continues to do it anyways because I dunno... his rights/ fuck your feelings?

No. I just don't think you or 14th doctor are going to live up to your fantasy in the first picture.

that'd depend what fantasy we're supposedly living up to?

So, if I call people a name, and then stab them, and I do it again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, year after year....are you going to start forming plans for the future based on my past actions, or are you STILL going to go "well, it's just names, let's wait for the stab"?

Cuz the Nazis right up to Charlottesville and January 6th have made a pattern of past performance.

This is why I think you are the second picture. You're arguing about a non-issue.

If you stab someone, you are initiating violence.

If you call someone a name. I'll say something to you, but I won't hit you just because you said something.

No matter how many other stabs I rack up?
You wouldn't have shot Ted Bundy on sight?

The more you take something to the extreme, the less likely you are to have any ground to stand on.

If I'm in a situation and see someone acting a fool, saying stupid shit, I will, and have, said something.

If I find myself in a situation where I'm kidnapped by a serial killer, I will do what I can to get away - including violence.

What does that have to do with "punching nazis"?

Nazism is the Ted Bundy of beliefs.
The murder is baked right in.
It's not like other beliefs that have to veer off the tracks to get to the murder.
They've proven their willingness to kill, they have a pattern of inciting to kill, and they incite with codes that have been cracked after the fact, so even their fat mouth opening is trouble.

When you kill a nazi, on the street, for saying something stupid, be sure to take pics and post them here. Otherwise, it didn't happen and you're just an internet tough guy spouting nonsense.