and you have the gall to get upset we don't take you seriously as anything other than a punching bag? this is truly one of the stupidest things you've ever said. and, no. that is clearly not what Shirogane said.
It wasn't,which is why I didn't bother entertaining his sealion routine. Awful convenient for him to be against abortion after talking girlfriend into getting one, though.
It's very consistent though with his view that women's ability to get an abortion should be based on whether or not he wants them to.
FF once again demonstrating to us why he has only ever had sex with his mail order bride, and even she left him.
Who's making jokes? You think you should have a way in whether or not your neighbour is allowed to have an abortion. That you don't like how the facts make you look is on you.
This how legislation works, other people have a say in other people’s lives every day. You’re just trying to frame it as if I’m deciding specifically what my literal neighbor does. You’re being disingenuous.
You’re using something that never happens as grounds for discussion on whether people should have the right to do something
So, are you envisioning something like this? Doctor or Nurse (whatever): Your baby's head is now out. The mom: Abort! Abort! Seriously, that's fucked up. It's not even within the realm of possibility to happen. You know what mothers who you think would do this actually do? They give birth in a dumpster and walk away. They give birth in a bathroom during their prom and walk away. Because they either didn't know they were pregnant until labor kicked in or they were hiding their pregnancy for whatever reason. There's a lot to unravel in cases like this, and an indictment against society likely can be made as a contributing factor. As noted by others, women seeking late term abortions aren't doing so out of desire of not being pregnant or not wanting children. It's a medical neccesity, one that anti-abortionists are trying to deny access to. Whether or not abortion is murder is not for YOU to decide. You are not the judge. You are not the jury. Unless it's your partner getting an abortion, it does not affect you nor is it your business. Mind your own business when it comes to woman's bodily autonomy. Oh, and I'm going to head this off at the pass: Vaccine requirements and bodily autonomy are a false equivalance. Your (generic you) lack of vaccination can directly affect my health and wellbeing, especially if I'm immunocomprimised.
Hey, history major. What happened to Lincoln after this? And did the Confederacy peacefully acquiesce to the new reality, or were there literal ongoing battles over accepting blacks as US citizens with equal rights? And while I am talking about the battles of the civil rights era, I'm also talking about thousands of lynchings, actual battles with thousands of soldiers on each side, terrorizing of black enclaves in dozens of cities, and the overthrow of legitimate state governments. So maybe you are taking the wrong lesson from this. Again.
There are always exceptions. Yes, some women do want late term abortions. In most cases however that is currently illegal, and it's very rare. Hell, Kermit Gosnell was a clearly deranged abortion provider in Philadelphia that not only did dozens of late term abortions, also performed abortions on teenagers after they said they decided not to go through with the procedure. He's serving life in prison with no possibility of parole. The big take away though is that's not at all what Shirogayne was suggesting, and after posting with her for hell into the second decade now he should have known this.
Those of us who believe in libertarian principles of trying to maximize personal liberty, and ability to utilize that liberty, try to minimize that sort of legislation though. I suppose that might be confusing for a right wing authoritarian who sees everything through their gun fetish to understand though.
Wow, what a simplistic, childish view. You’re wrong of course, but you’re obviously too arrogant and ignorant to understand that. I can’t place you on ignore, but just know that you will no longer get anymore responses from me going forward. You can laugh it up all you want I don’t care, you’re a disingenuous liar and not worth engaging in anymore.
I'm not seeing the lie(s)? You're currently advocating to legislate against freedom of choice and bodily autonomy for an entire sex. Maybe it's time you guys stopped claiming your version of libertarianism is anything but a step backwards to feudalism?
It’s this childish, simplistic view that you’re trying to categorize this into, that’s the lie. That’s the blatant dishonesty and hypocrisy that the lie. The fact the he had the nerve to call himself a libertarian, that’s the lie as well. The fact that he tries to pretend that we as a society don’t legislate away other forms of body autonomy in other areas. That’s the lie. The fact that he pretends that there aren’t limits on our rights that have been accepted by society. That’s the lie. The fact that he tries to categorize me as an authoritarian just because I believe in reasonable restrictions on abortion, yet he supports all kinds of authoritarian policies, that’s the lie. The fact that he continuously tries to play these little cutesy games and thinks he’s being funny, that’s the lie. He can’t just have a civilized conversation without being a dick. Sorry, I’m not entertaining his bullshit anymore.
You are. If that hurts your fragile little soul, fucking good. Maybe the pain will wake your brain up.
"He" who? also, what other-well-everything are you talking about? what other types of bodily autonomy are legislated away? Examples!!! you clearly don't believe in "reasonable restrictions" when you throw out claims like abortions during labour as a consideration. The reality is that practically ALL elective abortions are within the first trimester. Any after that point are due to medical necessity and adding the complexity of legislation only reduces access and puts both women and doctors at risk of being criminalized. There's also the reality that as men, it's really not our department let alone decision.
yup... but that has nothing to do with what I was responding to you over, so either get to the point or put your hat back on...
let's back that train up to differentiating between elective abortion, medically necessitated abortions, and of course non viable fetuses and still stillbirth, shall we? and then let's further back up to criminalizing any aspect of those. otherwise you're just trying to create a slippery slope with absurd hypotheticals to justify your allegiance to Gillead.
If we took Tasvir's missing arm, Dayton's missing foot, and Federal Farmer's missing brain, we'd be halfway to building our perfect WF moron.