"Biology is real!!"

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  1. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    WTF does that mean?

    Bodies are biological.
    But so are brains.

    Biology makes intersex people.
    Biology makes gay people, and sexuality is in the brain.
    Transphobes don't dare say gay people are fake.

    Bumper sticker slogans like that break down really quick when you think about them.

    JK Rowling is stupid.
    I just randomly felt like saying that, it doesn't apply to anything.
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  2. Nova

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    "Transphobes don't dare say gay people are fake."

    YET.
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  3. Nyx

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    They've been eyeing bisexuals for a while. Bigotry never stops at one group.
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    Hogwart's Legacy is amazing, BTW. Looks gorgeous on the PS5.

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    Another, perhaps more enlightened POV than the above shitpost:

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    I guess I'm just one of the people that don't get it. I don't know where the JK Rowling-is-a-transphobe smoking gun resides. I read her essay and found it provocative, interesting and heart-felt. She raised some issues that are understandably uncomfortable for the LGBTQ+ community - but there wasn't anything that I felt qualified as transphobic. And there's the rub - I'll get an earful that it IS transphobic. Is it transphobic because it makes some readers uncomfortable? They disagree? Of late, there's a section of the internet world running around dictating she IS a transphobe and it's not up for question - and if you do question it? Well sir - you know what you are, right?
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  5. Nyx

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    Don't forget your gas stove.
    Better make it two gas stoves.
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  6. Bickendan

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    I think the source of the perception that JK Rowling is transphobe came from her tweets.
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  8. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    And her pseudo-trans villains in her shitty detective novels.
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    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    Re: the usual suspects in that other thread crowing about the huge pre sales...

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    what was that one about history rhyming?
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  10. Steal Your Face

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    Nobody?
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    I’m picking up my copy today. It’s an amazing game, I love it. The fact that it has Dicky’s panties in a twist is just an added bonus.
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    I thought about it last night but passed because of the obviousness. :ramen:
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    It was either that or the it’s real, it’s a fake compilation.
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  14. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    I find absolutely no difference between religious bigots and trans activists at this point. They are both zealots.

    Both have their ideologies they want to cram down anyone else's throat, and both are just as impervious to scientific fact. I support the vast majority of the policies rights activists support, but any light whatsoever between your viewpoint and theirs leads to constant personal attacks. On this board I've been called a pedophile and a liar, and attacked for not possibly having any reason for my positions because there can't possibly be any, for merely stating that we should be careful and analyze any possible issues with trans people in sexually segregated sports. And backing up my reasons with scientific studies and interviews with leading physicians in the community. But there's no reasoning with zealots. Hell, as a male I can't possibly care about women's sports. There is no possible reason for me to state these things other than wanting to hurt trans people.

    And it's the TRA that are constantly bringing this up. How can ANYONE possibly disagree with us on any part of our zealotry? Only Nazis could think that sex and gender aren't identical. IDENTICAL, you monster! LOL.

    So I guess physicians are by definition Nazis now. Sexual dimorphism is real. Who says so? Medical science. No, I don't consider a trans person a real (insert X here). I consider them someone who used medical technology available today to become a closer approximation of who they see their gender identity as. And that's fine, I'm happy for them they live in a time where that's possible. The only reason this discussion is even remotely possible is the fact that we are able to artificially change who they are. If that leads to them leading more fulfilling, happier lives, great. If it leads to fewer suicides, fantastic. If it leads us to put someone born male, who haven't started their medical transition into a women's prison when that person is a known rapist, we have we made a horrible mistake. That's the question going on in Scotland right now and the latest reason people are calling Rowling a transphobe. You know, because she's a TERF - a woman who has been raped, required sanctuary in a women's home, and is worried that someone is going to use this as an excuse to attack women in their sanctuary. Which, of course, they will.

    So no, I don't support the religious right and their moronic fundamentalism - but I don't support fundamentalism period. Every successful answer to a problem in society comes from analyzing the objective reality that causes that problem. I know quite a few people that will not be happy until they create injustices that don't exist now that are imminently foreseeable in support of their ideology.
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  15. Bickendan

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    @Bill Carson qualify the dumb react, please.

    JK Rowling is considered a transphobe as a result of her tweets.
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  16. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    If she wasn't before, and the original stuff was pretty tame, she likely is now. Why? Oh, I don't know, the death threats, the constant personal attacks, the vilification.

    The TRA community is full of bullies and just like the far right as they feel that morality is completely with them then anything they do is justified in defense of their ideology.

    Again, this is a woman who was raped who started her disagreement on the all too certain prospect that people will abuse the system that was being created. You can argue whether as a society it's more worthwhile to accept the occasional injustice there, but for someone whose personal experience means rape is the worst possible result of course she's going to argue against anything that increases those chances.

    And yes, there is data that suggests that transwomen in British prisons rape at a far higher rate.

    My particular favorite is the old canard we heard from feminists - rape is about power, not sex. I don't think it's quite that simple, but that's definitely a subsect of rapists. So how can you tell me that no trans person ever would rape? It's ludicrous. People are people.
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    I'm not going to say that some trans activists aren't a bit over the top, but if the religious bigots had their way they'd literally legislate trans people out of existence, and they're actively trying to do so today. Outside of probably a handful of powerless fringe weirdos on twitter (because you always find examples of powerless fringe weirdos saying literally anything on twitter), trans people aren't trying to legislate religious people out of existence.

    You might as well say there's no difference between the Black Panthers and the KKK, or between Neo-Nazis and Antifa, or between Russia and Ukraine. There's clearly one group that's actively trying to wipe out the other, and one group that's just trying to fight back in self-defense, and the side fighting back in self defense is under no obligation to be relaxed or polite or diplomatic about it. :shrug:
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  18. Diacanu

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    Fuck off with that.
    Tererun is a knucklehead half the time, that doesn't give me a transphobia permission slip.
    A couple black kids stole my toys when I was eleven, that doesn't give me a racism permission slip.
    Tasvir was a swine, doesn't give me an anti-muslim permission slip.

    And thought having the villainess in Harry Potter getting centaur raped was not only justice, but hilarious.
    Edited to add- Oh, and hinting that a pseudo-trans villain in her crap detective books was going to be prison raped was also a source of "comedy".
    So, I dunno, maybe playing that card isn't a forcefield.
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  20. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    Yeah, we are back to objective reality again. TRA aren't 80-95% of the populace in any nation. They have absolutely no power to do so. But clearly there are some that would given the opportunity. And they definitely have sent death threats and actively worked to get people fired for holding different views than themselves.

    They absolutely have the right to use the political system to promote their POV. But this isn't a war, it sure as fuck isn't Russia and Ukraine, and you can tell because there aren't stacks of dead bodies and missiles flying constantly. It's an absurd comparison.

    And you just reiterated one of my primary objections - they believe that because that morality can only be on their side, that anything they do is moral. That's an abhorrent philosophy.

    There are plenty of people who clearly are not on the side of the religious right that TRA's will still act like are identical to the worst oppressor for any disagreement.

    It's an absolute bottom of the barrel take. And if you hold that take, Bush's 'If you aren't with us you are against us,' then yeah, I question your intelligence. I have never voted for someone who opposed Trans rights, I've never donated to any organization that does. I do however think there are still some questions to work out and there is more than one valid side to several of those questions.

    That put me with the KKK? Neo-Nazis? Russia?

    That's a laughable response, worthy of scorn.
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  21. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    Again, moronic. Apples and hand grenades. This is a woman that wanted to stand up for rape victims and then was called every name in the book, received countless death threats, and villified by half of her society. She watched several of her friends be forced out of public life, fired from their jobs, for agreeing with her. She's a noted advocate for LGBT, the homeless, constantly posting about the evils of the Iranian system to the women there. But there virulence to her has been so profound almost the entire world only knows her as a 'transphobe.'

    She's got every reason to think transactivists are shitty people.
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  22. 14thDoctor

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    Are you simply not informed, or is this one of those Uncle Albert "only the deceased is to blame for suicide" things? :chris:
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  23. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Some? Yes.
    All? No.
    Hating a whole group for the actions of one or a few is the essence of bigotry.

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  24. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    You mean the TERF activists?
    Boo hoo.
    I've read up on their bona fides, you obviously just take her polished narrative at face value.
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  25. Uncle Albert

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    It means what you FEEEEEEEL cannot be assumed to inform objective reality. You can insist up is down an right is left all you want, but your ability to impose that position extends to your person and no further.
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  26. 14thDoctor

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    Don't you have some defenseless women to be punching? :chris:
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  27. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    And when you find a trans woman who thinks their bottom surgery re-ordered her chromosomes, you'll be on to something.
    That is not a claim that's made.
    You and JK are punching at a hologram.
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    "TRA" is some interesting nomenclature you're using there.
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  29. Steal Your Face

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    Yes I know that you think that. I don’t think she’s transphobic. Therefore I think your statement is dumb. I don’t think you are dumb, just your statement. That you’ve jumped on this bandwagon is even more dumb because I believe you’re smarter than this. But go right ahead and ignore me because you think I’m stupid and can’t possibly have a valid point because I’m also a Nazi.
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  30. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    I think there are several orders of magnitude difference between launching a genocidal invasion of another country, targeting their civilians, encouraging rape of their women, and carting off their children by the hundreds of thousands to be indoctrinated into another nationality than putting a gun to your own head and pulling the trigger. And this is one of the reasons I'm so incredulous - are your morals lapsed so completely as to not understand the difference? You live in one of the safest countries in the world. Ukraine has literal, not figurative, mass graves. Russia purposely removed itself from several geneva conventions specifically because they planned on annihilating anyone who resisted.

    So can some measure of blame be put on bullies for a suicide? In certain circumstances, yes. But unless they beat the person to death they are not morally as culpable as an invading army committing war crimes.

    And, oh by the way, white males account for 70% of the suicides in the US. Who says so? The American Foundation for Suicide Prevention. https://afsp.org/suicide-statistics/

    Even if all blame was put on society as opposed to the individual for their suicide, trans people would still have a fraction the amount of actual deaths - simply because they account for such a small percentage of the population.

    And clearly not all suicides are the results of active bullying.
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