The Omnibus P01135809 Criminal Investigation Thread

Bill still plans on voting for the prick, though.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/07/eastman-trump-disbarment-postpone-00110131

Judge dismisses Trump's defamation claim against E. Jean Carroll

Jesus. You really can't help yourself, can you?

That's your takeaway from such an unhinged rant? Are you still pretending not to hold any regard for Trumpism?

I think did some good things, but I don’t want him back in the White House. I also don’t want Biden. I don’t really see how this is different from the ramblings of Nancy Pelosi or even Kamala Harris.

What are the good things that in your opinion Trump has done?

Recognizing that in the present political situation that it almost certainly will either be the Democratic candidate or the Republican candidate who wins the White House and that as things stand currently Trump will be the Republican nominee and Biden will be the the Democratic nominee, who would you prefer and why?

Can you point to an alleged rant from Pelosi or Harris, or really anyone, in which they publicly said that one of their opponents will be in Hell one day or called them a "sick and demented Psycho"?

It was the wall, wasn't it?

FWIW, the link below looks at the issue of whether a President Trump could self-pardon and concludes it's not determined:

https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/v...cted/536-3449bf62-f38a-4169-9144-4d4e997e8d9e

The first step act, restoring funding for HBUC’s, opportunity zones, ready to work initiative, dramatic reductions of burning coal, getting the embassy moved to Jerusalem , the peace agreement in the Middle East, not starting another war, safeguarding 5g from China, agreeing to pull out of Afghanistan, destruction of ISIS caliphate in Syria and northern Iraq, speeding generic drug approval, tightening asylum rules, nearly doubling the standard tax deduction, restoring due process on campus, space fore (although it should have been called Starfleet). Yes we actually did have a need for a space force. Sadly not the wall because for the umpteenth time, I don’t think we need a physical wall, but a combination of things to protect our borders.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/12/the-things-trump-got-right/617424/

Sometimes, I think you get it and your responses here are just pure stubbornness on your part - no one likes to admit they are wrong.

Then you post something like this.

You do know that nothing happens in a vacuum, right?

That everything you've listed here were all on the table long before trump even took a bet in 2014 and ran for the presidency in 2016, let alone when he took office.

trump just happened to be in office at the time.

Let's try this. Let's pretend Hillary actually won in 2016. and all those same things were passed under a Hillary presidency. Would you still count those as "some good things"?

and if so, can you also list off a bunch of "good things" Obama passed because he happened to be in office at the time?

It’s not just that he so happens to be in office. He’s the president and he can veto bills. He has the bully pulpit. Bush so happened to be in office when 9/11 happened and the Patriot Act so happened to be already written and ready to go when he signed it. They just needed an excuse to sign such draconian legislation. He could have vetoed it and told Congress that it goes too far, but he didn’t because he wanted it. Trump wanted these things passed it’s an action that he can point to and say look what good I did. It’s a tactic right out Johnson’s playbook and it might have worked if he wasn’t such an idiot. So no, you don’t get to take away the credit just because you don’t like him.

Possibly you're not familiar with the inside of his skull.

Nixon signed more civil rights bills into laws than Johnson or Kennedy. I don't like Nixon. I'm not giving him credit. He was a misogynist and a racist and he freely admitted it.

Do you know who I give credit to? The people who worked for YEARS to get those laws passed.

Apparently Pence is willing to testify too and, as much as I loath his theocratic fever dreams, he's got the whole "man of integrity" shtick down to an art and that plus his proximity should make him the star witness.

Personally, there's not enough popcorn in the state to get me ready for what Willis is about to drop.

While I really, really hope that the Feds make an exception for Trump's trial and allow cameras in the DC courtroom, Georgia state courts already allow them.

I would debate some of these are things that he did ("restoring due process on campus" according to the article you linked did not magically make universities that had threatened due process in sexual assault investigations (if any) restore them, and I'm pretty sure that there was nothing in the rescinded guidelines that would cause a university to abrogate the rights in the first place. The article also attempts to credit Trump with a decrease in burning coal when Trump campaigned on increasing coal, so I don't see how he gets credit for being too lazy/incompetent to buck the trend of declining reliance on coal) or did voluntarily (he didn't really have a choice in terms of agreeing to pull out of Afghanistan, for instance,) or that they are particularly credit-worthy (such as "not starting another war" is an astonishingly low bar given that no active threats from another country presented themselves such that going to war would make sense) , but thank you for at least attempting a substantive answer to Trump's accomplishments, even if you are borrowing someone else's thoughts rather than expressing your own.

And the rest of my questions?

Yeah, several of those things were not positives. His whole shtick was to wave through right-wing policies to appease Congressional Republicans while the media was distracted by the clown show. He doesn't really have any political positions himself, other than those that are about his own power.

The pulling out of Afghanistan conceit is laughable. He did have a choice there, the US could have stayed indefinitely, but the cost would be high and it would require another significant investment in US resources and manpower. Some people here said that they believed we should have stayed, and honestly I understand the sentiment.

But he made it easier, not harder, for the Taliban to take over, by negotiating the US withdrawal without the Afghani govt present, therefore undercutting support of it. By freeing 5000 talibani including members of their senior leadership unilaterally. By settting a time table that was absolutely impossible to implement without catastrophe. Indeed, Biden extended that time frame 8 months in order to get people out and it was still incredibly problematic.

And he lost his Sec of Defense over his mishandling of Syria to the point where for the first time in US history US warplanes had to bomb our own bases because he forced the US to withdraw immediately, and Russian forces took over US camps and equipment. Just another gift to bid daddy Vlad.

Clearly that list is full of shit.

By 2014, annual American military casualties in Afghanistan were down to double digits. Which still isn't awesome, but it's still much much lower than the number of military folks that die by suicide annually.

America could have hung out in Afghanistan indefinitely at very little cost before Trump did everything in his power to undo the hard earned gains that had been made there. It was a good investment in the interests of global stability, just like the permanent presences in Germany and Japan.

IMHO handing Afghanistan to the Taliban is one of the top reasons Trump should hang, for providing aid and comfort to a sworn enemy of the United States and betraying the US at the same time. It's treason.

Well... He is facing several treason-related indictments.

Just not about Afghanistan.

I still hold out hope that Trump receives the Hunter Biden treatment one day.

(Well hung, pictures of it all over the internet)

CNN reporting that Fani Willis is expected to drop over a dozen more indictments against Trump next week. https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/09/politics/trump-georgia-fani-willis-dozen-indictments

This is expected to include conspiracy and RICO charges, and could include many more individuals in the conpiracy.

And I think that there’s some odd twists to GA RICO laws, which could enable them to charge him for things that other states might not.

https://twitter.com/chaoticvegasman/status/1689284949143076864?s=46&t=iYW3foyqIA6Tn8VWwn3nwQ

Let uis hope one of these people takes his passport because he seems to be obviously hinting at this point he is thinking about fleeing the country.

Hullo, what's this?

Oh, so the Jan 6th committee wasted a lot of time on an investigation that was incomplete and could not charge trump with jaywalking if they wanted to. Go0d thing we waited for them to stop their performance to get a real investigator assigned to the crimes.

Thank you Joe Biden and your worthless shitbag AG.

So in today's news:

Smith served a search warrant on Twitter for the contents of Trump's account. Twitter delayed access to the records and was fined $350,000. Trump goes ballistic on Truth Social, and cites this as an attack on his first (not fourth) amendment rights. Trump also goes on TV and starts accusing the J6 committee of deleting evidence. Projection?

Trump has asked Judge Cannon to require the government to re-establish the SCIF at Mar-a-Lago so he doesn't have to be inconvenienced by coming to the courthouse to review the classified discovery documents with his lawyers. Judge Cannon has not yet ruled. It could take months to do this. If Cannon approves, it seems likely to be appealed to the 11th circuit.

Apparently Smith ask Chutken for a Jan. 2 trial date, which - DO IT! - but realistically you probably don't get your first ask. But in this unique situation they should. Every rational analysis suggests that it's only fair to the voters to have a resolution (at least pending appeal) on this before they get deep into the primary schedule.