Reactionary Radical Eliminationists vs. Trans

The simple reality is that IF it were possible to change a person's gender identity (i.e. to "trans a child") THEN in the whole fucking last CENTURY of people trying everything up to and beyond lobotomy and electroshock in order to "fix" someone who is trans (i.e. "untrans the kid") would be able to show some method of success.

Like, when assholes like Zucker say things like "don't let them play with cross sex toys" and all that shit to "normalize" a child with gender dysphoria, they would be able to say "behold all these kids we rescued from thinking they were trans!"

But they can't. Because no outside force can alter gender identity. Even IF there were some pervy parents out there trying to make a kid trans....it literally cannot be done.

Dr. Money tried it - and failed.

The only thing that even simulates it is religious conversion, but even then they don't say "I no longer feel like I'm trans" they say "God helped me repent of the sinful temptations" - it's suppression of identity, not a changed identity.

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/01/26/texas-attorney-general-trans-documents-georgia-ken-paxton/

No, they're being brainwashed to accept your wish magic as both real and required knowledge.

In which Nova asserts a singular privilege to speak for other people. Nobody else is allowed to do that.

And by "transing" I mean giving them hormones and elective surgeries.

Tell us some more RNC talking points about evil Mexicans.

Slapped that "RNC" label on things sure does allow you to sidestep refuting anything, doesn't it? Don't worry, I'm sure nobody noticed.

Blah, blah, blah.

https://bsky.app/profile/gbbranstetter.bsky.social/post/3kjxyyiv77h2s

https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/...-in-released?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Don't worry, UA will hop on his bike with his machine gun on his back, and save the adult transes.
Like how Forbin and Oldfella liberated the Mexican baby camps.

TCM is playing "Shoa" right now, and an ex-Nazi is confessing on hidden camera to all the shit that went down at Trablinka, and how it gradually ramped up.

There's not a microscopic speck of doubt in my mind that Matt Walsh and his like wouldn't just cheer that shit on, but dirty their hands.
Well, not literal hands, but they'd bring a gun to quail hunt humans.

And then when it came to light, all the FFs and UAs would be all "How could we know!?!? How could we possibly know!!?? All the people who warned us were leftists and Jews!! ".

It’s the leftists that are hating on the Jews right now. Explain that one.

“From the river to the sea, I’m not a Nazi!”

Tankies.
That was easy.

Yeah, look at this bunch of Jew-hating Commies!!

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/23/us/jewish-palestinian-protest-israel-gaza/index.html

Oh, wait.

And now we get to the gaslight portion of your “contribution” to the thread.

We haven't forgotten who used an actual fucking Swastika av, pal.

Gaslight? You were one (goose)step from championing gas chambers.

god damn, you really need to swallow a pound of this for yourself.

A double hitter here:

Florida: "Misrepresenting" Gender On Drivers Licenses Is Fraud, Changes Now Banned
The Florida Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles announced in a letter that drivers license gender changes are no longer available, and trans people could be charged with fraud.

Source: https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/florida-misrepresenting-gender-on

In short, if your gender marker has been changed on your license (like when you transition from male to female), that license is no longer valid, and you are now guilty of "fraud."
If that doesn't make sense because you being guilty after the fact isn't legal in the US, well, Florida welcomes you. If you're thinking "the Supreme Court would overturn that" it doesn't matter, Florida only needs a short time to destroy a lot of innocent lives, ones that will never fully recover.


And also:

Outrage in Seattle after ‘raids’ of several gay bars citing ‘lewd conduct’ laws

Source: https://www.advocate.com/news/seattle-gay-bar-raid

Stonewall never really ended. This is why so many of us arm up, why we don't trust cops, and why we don't trust the system, because it is maintained by either the fox or the wolf, and neither of them see us as anything but a source of food (in this case, political leverage).

I hate to say it, but this needs to happen. The rules and rights for people to transition were never really established from a legal standpoint, and this is going to force a standard. That standard does need to be in place because if it is not there will be people will try to use being trans in any way they can to harm others.

The GLBT community cannot have bars being the area where Gay and Trans people find their information. We need to leave adult content where adult content belongs, and have specific organizations like COMPASS and GLAD be where children get support. We cannot have teens trying to get into bars to find their places. They need more than adult spaces, and as the community we do need to protect the youth and profvide them a safe space to grow.

Also, there needs to be a definition of what is a trans person. There has to be a defined legal path so that we do not have some idiot try to use being trans to victimize people. If you are not ready to be on the trans path, then you can exist within your birth gender paradigm while being as genderqueer as you want. Simply put, while we are in this twisted mental system where we pervert our genitals into some sanctified sight that damages us when the wrong gender sees them, then we have to play that stupid game. If you want to be in the ladies room, then you have to be on track to be a woman. This is not something you can allow a person to just decide in the moment.

Yes, I recognize these laws are trying to ban the path, but that is not going to happen. We do need to establish a path to doing this that is laid out under the law so we can throw it in every UA, FF, and dumiurge's face that it exists when they pretend someone can just say they identify as a woman and we just put them in the women's changing area.

This was pieced together over time, but now we need a process to do it enforced on a federal level so that this shit does not happen anymore. This is part of the process that we should have been working towards all along instead of pretending we had a secure process. This is where we are in reality. The process we had before was merely a band aid fantasy that we relied on. Our next step is making the process a legal reality. We cannot let our identity ride on like abortion rights, or else this will happen. We cannot have our reality and identity be defined by how many judges can be appointed, or by the changing legislatures of the states.

This is the battle that needs to be done. All this shit is doing is making that battle start rather than us pretending we have some security.

In order to exist in this world with the different people and sexual assault and the desire to see naughty bits, trans people need to recognize they need to find a way to exist within that system. I hate gatekeepers as much as the next person, or maybe more, but it is not just about me. It is about existing within society, and society respecting our existence.

We have to have an established way to change gender. From what I have heard, it is not there. The person at the DMV should not be the one determining whether or not I have changed gender. Also, you have to be changing genders. That should mean increasing health care access to full transition for those who want it through health insurance and possibly even some government funded trans care. This isn't just elective plastic surgery. It is necessary for the comfort of those who we will be sharing space with.

For instance, I would imagine a person like @T'Bonz or others who worry about changing rooms and women's spaces would be much more comfortable if the person had a vagina and breasts. Right now that is a matter of money which holds that restriction for true transexual women. Maybe that surgery should be funded by healthcare so that we take money off the table as a reason a trans woman would have a penis, or even a working penis. Simply until you can make the leap to a vagina, you do not belong in women's spaces.

We could have a transitionary period where there may be more options for a trans person while they go through the process because it does take a while.

Society needs the gatekeepers so society can feel safe because the perverts are out there. We cannot be religion where we turn a blind eye to the fact the sick rapists and animals use our identity to assault and harm others. Maybe it is a sign that the religious have been pointing to us and recognizing faith and belief are our core values rather than science and doing.

I get what you're saying, but it feels like trans medicalism. There are plenty of trans people who don't want the surgery not just because it's incredibly cost prohibitive, but because it's also a drastic biological change and even dangerous for many if one is not in very good health. That's why so many opt for hormones, which they will take the rest of their lives, and those hormones do 90% of the work. I also say "the surgery," but often it's multiple surgeries, deeply invasive, and some people can't deal with that despite the dysphoria.

The better option, in my opinion, is for people who hate trans folks and don't feel comfortable around them to just suck it up, in the same way bigots had to get used to black folks being free to mix in society and go to the same restrooms as white folks. As it has been said before, men don't have to pretend to be women to assault women, they just do it, and the justice system lets them off the hook most of the time. These are the kinds of men who think it's gay to wear pink, and so catching them in a dress to go after a woman in the bathroom? No. An assault against a woman in the bathroom is still an assault against a woman in the bathroom, because cisgender lesbians exist. They don't get to walk free just because they're also women.

I would love for the world to wake the fuck up and realize seeing genitals is not some huge deal. Humans have fucked themselves up with that belief, and that is a bigger problem. Right now, for the people who we cannot fix who have to exist in the same world as we do, then trans people need to make the commitment, and people need to get on board with that so that we can all exist together. For those that will not make the transition, then you have to make your choice for you. If you cannot make the full choice, then you did not go through the full transition. If you want to go into female only spaces, then you have to make the transition to a vag, or at least the commitment to chopping the fucker off.

In a nice world where liars and predators do not exist I would be for this idea that you could be a woman with a dick, but they are going to use that as a way to assault women if you open the hole. Also, if you cannot make the commitment to the vag, then maybe you do not need to be in female spaces to feel female anyway? If you can exist without the vag because your gender dysphoria is not that strong, then you do not need to be in women only spaces.

Here is where I start calling BS on the BS. If you can survive with the penis on your body, then you do not need to use the ladies area. If you tell me that penis on your body is not the be all end all of fucking your shit up, then going into the women's changing area is not going to ruin you either.

And anyone who disagrees with anything about transgenderism is a hater. That is something I absolutely loathe about the Left, although at times it is refreshing to run into someone who will discuss the issue rationally, even if they disagree, as Tererune has done.

Most who are non-Trans don't "hate" Trans-men/women. That's a load of rubbish meant to deflect any discussion that does not fit the current narrative, approving adoration.

Tererune has acknowledged the safety issue, which not all of us share. But enough do that it IS an issue. As for the biomale in sports, as a woman who came of age during the equal rights for women era, it's particularly galling to see hard-won rights washed away because the rights of a Transwoman > rights of a bio-woman. Simply, it's unfair. I can comprehend why some trans-people won't do the full surgery - especially with the m to f, the vaginal surgery sounds absolutely ghastly. As it stands now, I don't see where it would work for the transwoman; the problems with it are (imnsho) a deal-killer.

These are legitimate issues, and need to be addressed. There are others; the sharp increase in transgenderism (which is a whole another discussion in itself), bullying (both to and from the transgendered - bullying under any guise of rightness is unacceptable), wishing to date someone non-trans, surgery pre-age 18, and many others. The only way to full acceptance is to have these discussions, without the "-phobe /hater" shutdown tactics.

No one should be a hater of anyone. Even in my rather secluded life, I've run into transwomen, once in my house as a guest with her grandma who stopped by to visit us (former owner). Bit of a shock, but I just rolled with it. I just thought she was a bit overdressed for a Saturday when the rest of us were in casual clothes, but I guess she enjoyed dresses. This tomboy doesn't.

Anyhow, enough. Not sure when I'll be back to answer. January has been the month from hell; I won't go into details, but they included death and (for me), another bout with that bastard COVID.

Anyhow, peace out. Those of you who discuss even though you disagree, I salute you. That's as rare as a sunny day here in the winter.

Yeah, you're not coming in hot at all. You're just an innocent teddy bear dancing through Graham Cracker Land, and then the big mean leftists swoop in with their gargoyle wings. Poor widdwe diddums.

She’s not wrong. Hell, I just suggested that Nova wouldn’t necessarily understand the depth to which women fear … just walking down the street. And for that, I’m accused of mansplaining to her.

Them trans women getting too uppity.

Case in point.

Go on, call her a Nazi, you know you want to.

Your liver said bad things about you. Time to punish it.