Progressive messaging in media.

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  1. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    As if white supremacists wouldn't smugly jerk themselves off if all the movies were white again.
    It's just you don't see smug in rednecks for some reason.
    All your descriptions of smug are cartoon exaggerations of the liberal upper bourgeois class.
    Republican businessman and politicians are plenty booshy.
    But they don't consume popular culture, because their souls are dead.
    Hence them being mystified and confused by Taylor Swift.

    Nope, it's just booshie libs you're feverishly frustrated with.
    Wonder why that is.
    Hmm...
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  2. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    1. That's what bias fucking is.
    2. It'd be a whole other thing if you were just "a regular guy" but you're the one who holds yourself to a fucking robot perfection standard.
    Well...you hold everyone else to it, and pretend you hold yourself to it. Then whine when you get actually held to it. Oh, being held to your own standard of rigidity looks like "pedantic autism" to you? You don't fucking say! Wow! Interesting! :soma:
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  3. Jenee

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    The screenplay I wrote in college (took an easy A screenwriting class) was .. something of a daydream from childhood. A treasure hunt story that took place in the small town where I grew up. Later, in the military, a friend asked if it were ever made into a movie, would a black actor play either lead. My first thought was “no, but only based on the area - a small town in southern Michigan. Whether by design or happenstance, a near 50 mile radius was entirely of Irish and German decent. I was 16 and we’d moved to Texas before I’d ever spoken to any person that wasn’t white and probably of Irish and German decent.

    But, because I spend so much time in my own head, I thought and rethought about her question. I chose to assume the hemogeny of the area was by happenstance. So, it could also be happenstance that the area was not quite so hemogenous. Since then, when I watch a remake, … or even an original story, I try to imagine the characters if cast by different actors. Race “swap” or gender “swap”.

    I’ve found the best stories are the ones where I can imagine any number of different actors in multiple roles.
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  4. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    If I'm reeeeeeaaaallly fucking charitable with you, you're a dupe of white supremacist propaganda that cloaks itself under a layer of slickness one wet toilet paper sheet thick.
    But you know, as it grinds on year after year, I find it really doesn't make a difference.
    So fuck off.
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  5. 14thDoctor

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    They can say it's not racist, but there's always this assumption that when a woman or a racial minority is cast in a previously white or male role that they didn't win the role on merit, or some "this is the best candidate we can get with our budget" consideration. If that's not racist/sexist, what is?
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  6. Raoul the Red Shirt

    Raoul the Red Shirt Professional bullseye

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    Hey, no one is asking if you have done it every single time there has been such a remake. But given that there are such remakes numerous times each year, I don't think it is a big ask that between your memory and the board's search function that you could come up with an example or two where you blasted a non-race/gender-swap remake/reboot as the work of talentless cash-grabbing hacks.

    When I searched for posts by you with "reboot," it comes up with one complaining about the latest Doctor Who:

    You responding to Dicky about the Fantasy Island reboot with a Latina lead:

    http://wordforge.net/index.php?posts/3337154/

    http://wordforge.net/index.php?posts/3508556/

    You making a joke about Superman:

    http://wordforge.net/index.php?posts/2041525/

    and you saying they should reboot Voyager

    http://wordforge.net/index.php?posts/1121080/

    When it comes to remake, back in 2009, you wrote:

    http://wordforge.net/index.php?posts/1803488/

    Which is IMO a more reasonable take than "remakes are cash grabs by talentless hacks" approach you're now adopting.

    I am not insisting that your not criticizing other remakes as proving bigotry or anything of the sort. Indeed, in my very post I said that there are various reasons that it could be the case that have nothing to do with bigotry. For someone who criticized someone else's reading comprehension a few post prior, it would seem you could do better on that front yourself.
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  7. Uncle Albert

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    Iron Fist should absolutely been an asian dude. Or really anyone but that curly haired douchebag they cast.
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  8. Uncle Albert

    Uncle Albert Part beard. Part machine.

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    Nope. That's the dishonest gaslighting line of bullshit people use to deflect. People are now explicitly being hired for their intrinsic qualities, political opinions and nothing else.
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  9. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    "Nope!!! Lalalalalaa!!! Fuck you!! Lalalalalala!!!" isn't deflecting though.
    It's...."no nonsense" yeah, that's it. That's the ticket.
    Like when Bill O'Reilly would cut people's mics.
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  10. Uncle Albert

    Uncle Albert Part beard. Part machine.

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    You are a broken fucking record. Why anyone bothers with you is a mystery.
    "I know you are but what am IIIII! :blink: "
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  11. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    I'm funny, and people like me, and you're a miserable fun-murdering drag that no one but FF likes anymore.
    And you're stupid, and I'm smart, and it's not "smug" to say so.
    And its become quite brutally evident that we only ever put up with you because we liked your ex-wife.

    How do you like that new b-side?
    Fresh enough for you?
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  12. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Oh, you didn't want a real answer, you just wanted to crap out of your mouth.
    You need to label that shit or something.
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  13. 14thDoctor

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    Is it?
    Do you have evidence to back that claim up? Is it everyone being hired under those criteria now, or just the women and minorities?

    Example: The Marvels ended with a cameo from Kelsey Grammer, an open and proud Trump supporter, and the cameo set him up to return again in the future. Grammer is far from the only person to voice that character in the last couple decades, why did they bring him back over everyone else? :chris:
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  14. matthunter

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    Says the guy who demands schools kow-tow to any fucking shit the parents want taught, or should not teach what they don't.
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    Not true to the SOOOOUUUURRRRCCCEEEEE!!!!
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    If we accept the stance that the only purpose of corporations is to enrich their owners, then we have two choices when it comes to the "wokeness" that so enrages Aunt Alice. Their either violating their sacred trust to stuff the pockets of stockholders by trying to push a "woke" agenda and possibly costing them business or they see an opportunity to reach a broader audience and thereby make even more money by either reorienting their marketing or trying to improve their product. Like any venture into new territory this approach is not without risk. Some of those efforts to will work (Barbie anyone?) , while some will be notable, not to say spectacular, failures (New Coke anyone?). I really don't see how what Disney is doing is really any different. It will either work or it won't work with the consequent rewards or punishments inherent with taking such risks. Whatever happened to letting the market decide? :clyde:
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  17. Uncle Albert

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    Of course I can't find both documents again because fucking google scumbags curate search results. :ua:

    This one was for general Disney employees, but there was one specific to casting, and one from I believe SAG.

    *edit* That wasn't it, either. :bang:
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  18. Spaceturkey

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    y'ever notice how it's always somebody else's fault with this guy?

    especially when he can't back up his bullshit claims?
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  19. Uncle Albert

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    Here we go. One of the documents I was looking for. Maybe someone could point out where it says "Oh, and be a good actor". :brood:

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  20. Uncle Albert

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    I'll add "corporate search engine manipulation" to the endless list of things Spacetard fails to comprehend.
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  21. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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  22. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Funny, I just typed in "Disney inclusion standards" and locked right in to it.
    What did you type in? "Disney wokey paper!!! Fucking wokies!! Fuuuucking wooookiieees!!!" ?
    Cuz I bet that probably threw Google off a bit.
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  23. Diacanu

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    Okay, so you've got a list of aspirational diversity standards. That's real. That's not in dispute.

    But then you go on to claim that because this one specific document doesn't mention the expected quality or experience or qualifications of the employees, Disney doesn't care about quality anymore? That's absurd. I bet the food handling safety guidelines at Disneyland don't explicitly say "Hey, don't tell the customers to go fuck themselves," but I'm 100% sure that's mentioned in another guidance document.

    You appear to be jumping to unfounded conclusions. :shrug:
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  25. Raoul the Red Shirt

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    It's your claim that they only care about diversity to the detriment of skill. So it's on you to find evidence that backs up that claim.

    The fact that Disney cares about diversity does not, without more, reach that low, low bar. You could just as easily and legitimately argue that based on this document's not mentioning anything about serial killing or necrophilia that Disney casts its actors for diversity without caring if they are serial killing necrophiliacs. Which is to say, not at all in terms of legitimacy.
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  26. Diacanu

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    Jonathan Majors is still Kang because of the power of wokism.
    Oh, wait, they fired him before he was even convicted.
    Huh...
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  27. Raoul the Red Shirt

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    To look at this another way:

    Of the Disney productions you have seen in the last 10 years or so, which actors would you say did not perform adequately? Which of them do you think were chosen for diversity's sake as opposed to just being bad or being the victim of bad writing/direction?

    Of the animated Disney and Pixar movies I've seen, I can't think of any actors where they cast bad actors.

    There are very few of the Marvel movies where I think the actors were aggressively mediocre to outright bad:

    Natalie Portman was mid in all her Thor movies.
    Chris Eccleston was bad as Malekith.
    Mickey Rourke was mid in Iron Man 2.
    The woman who played Ghost in Ant-Man 2 was mid.
    The actress who played Cassie in Ant-Man 3 was actively bad.
    The villain in The Marvels was forgettable.

    I think the only actors of color who I think underperformed on that list are Ghost and the Marvels' villain. I tend to think that they weren't just stuck in their because they are minorities. (If anything, I understand the Marvels' villain actress is married to Tom Hiddleston who plays Loki, so it was more a nepo hire).

    Specific race swap characters that come to mind:

    Idris Elba as Heimdall -- wasn't given much to do in all the movies, but did it adequately. And anyone who says Idris doesn't know how to act can fuck off.

    Some Asian dude as Hogun in the Thor movies -- also wasn't given much to do, but filled the role adequately.

    Tessa Thompson as Valkyrie: Tessa...has her moments of being bad in general. See Westworld, where compared to a pretty stacked cast of actors she was perpetually subpar. But for Valkyrie she was pretty good in each of her appearances.

    Jonathan Majors as Kang -- his performance was pretty widely praised as one of the few highlights in Ant-Man 3. If he weren't convicted of beating his girlfriend and if he didn't have additional accusers lining up, he'd probably still be in the role.

    Tilda Swanson as the Ancient One - she was pretty good even though she's not an old Chinese dude. Again, people arguing that Tilda isn't a quality actress can fuck off.

    Zendaya as Mary Jane: She's a talented actress so I don't care if she's not a ginger. She's won some acting awards if I'm not mistaken. Face it tiger, Marvel hit the jackpot.
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  28. Order2Chaos

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    TIL there was a 3rd Ant-Man movie. Brand dilution is real.
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  29. Diacanu

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    Even the less amazing MCU actors weren't hired based on nothing, Kevin Feige didn't send an intern out onto the sidewalk to hire the first minority they saw. Other than Iman Vellani (who is a goddamn treasure), pretty much every actor they hire has either a lengthy filmography or some projects that earned them massive critical acclaim. And even with Miss Marvel they tried to hire Maitreyi Ramakrishnan first.
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