It's HIGH TIME the 2nd Amendment was REPEALED. Sorry Gunforge ,your guns must be TAKEN AWAY from you

https://www-cbsnews-com.cdn.ampproj...cident-with-weapons-law-enforcement-responds/

If the much higher proportion of shootings in the US are due to that and not the easy gun access, then what do you think it is about the US that gives you so many more weak and entitled shitbag people than other countries, and does it suggest that some uniquely American things should be changed to adopt more of what works elsewhere?

You'll never hear a fucking libertarian rant about the mewling entitlement of grievance wackos that snap.
Because they've got the same laundry list of whines.

1 killed, 5 wounded in shooting at southwest Indianapolis Waffle House restaurant

The short answer is culture and upbringing. A person raised right can have access to the arsenal from the Matrix and never hurt anyone. Raise them wrong, and they'll be out robbing and hurting people with whatever they can get a hold of.

I will never support tailoring society for the worst products of the worst parents.

In what ways are "culture and upbringing" inferior in the United States than elsewhere?

I didn't say "inferior. " That would be a matter of opinion. We just seem to have the right combination of factors for motivated people to find each other and do violence. To reduce it to "has access to guns" is so stupidly reductive as to signal that you have no interest in solving the problem.

No, I'm not going to submit some long-winded dissertation on the nature of all those factors. Ignorance, poverty, bad upbringing and the celebration of cowardly, indiscriminate violence are what I will offer.

Yeah. Right-wing lies.
From the same gang that radicalized the NRA.

You won't go into details because you are fully aware that the US is not markedly outside the international norms for any of those things and don't want it to be made explicit that you're just covering for gun fetishists. But don't worry - that's already completely obvious to everyone.

You so desperately wish you could hand-wave away inconvenient facts by declaring them "lies".

Did I say we were absolutely unique? No I did not. If your only interest is bad faith shilling for fascist gun grabs, at least be honest so I don't waste the energy on you.

You may as well just post "hissss!!!" and it has the same effect as that shit.

Since you prefer to pull these claims out of your ass rather than to justify them with reference to empirical reality, who the fuck cares? Your disdain for having to justify your fixed ideological stance with reference to actual evidence is tangible, and totally absurd, and almost Platonist.

What empirical reality are you looking for? The fact that the majority of gun violence in the US is with handguns in big cities? Or lovely disarmed European countries having epidemics of knife violence and surrendering entire neighborhoods to become rape capitals where not even the police will go? Which cherrypicked data serves your personal bias today?

I'm confused, is your argument that the high gun violence in the US is due to some non gun availability reason that can be addressed, or that the reasons are inherent to western human nature?

Also which specific European countries are you referring to?

You know the one. It's all full of . . . French people.

Sacré bleu !

Quebec?

You address it by first focusing on those areas with the most gun violence. Instead, gun shot sensors are decried as "racist" in Chicago.

Knife violence in the UK.

Rapey "no go" zones in Sweden.

This is usually where some ignorant numbnuts chimes in with "I'd rather be stabbed than shot. " I'm sure that will be a great comfort as you bleed out in the gutter while your wife is dragged off into an alley.

I don't know enough about details of Sweden to research what the stats actually are right now so won't touch that, but regarding knife crime in the UK yes it has climbed, and people are concerned about it being at scarily high levels, but to put in context...

https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/stabbing-deaths-by-country/

Did I claim it was higher than it was here? No I fucking did not. Don't be attributing claims I haven't made. Generaized stats do not speak to localized severity.

And hey, look. You may have just supported the argument that there is a greater proclivity to violence in the US.

You are the one who brought it up in response to @RickDeckard, and then specified what exact situation it was referring to, in ways that certainly seemed to be a "get your own house in order before criticizing mine" kind of way. I apologise if I misunderstood that, can you explain what the purpose was of bringing the UK into the discussion?

For someone who gets so angry about being misattributed you also seem to have some major reading comprehension issues. I'll flip your statement around, and kindly ask you to point out where I said you had claimed it to be higher.

The point was obvious. People getting stabbed and/or raped because they are denied the most effective means of defending themselves.

And yet the US, WITH GUNS, has a higher stabbing rate than the UK, WHICH LACKS GUNS.

And you lack brains.

Late 90's, early 00's, the NRA had a fucking infomercial.
Damn, that was a great hate-watch.
It showed clips of one of those giant claw crane things picking up piles of guns, and dropping them into molten steel.
This was allegedly happening somewhere in England.
We know from experience now how the right likes to lie about where they get their tapes from.
Could have been weapons confiscated from arrested drug kingpins for all we know.
The narration was like "this is the death of freedom! Please support tour efforts! This could happen here!! ".
The background music was like the sad music from tortured kitten ASPCA ads.
Fucking hilarious.
Better than porno.


Why do I bring this up?
I dunno. It just pops in my head when I listen to the talking points in threads like these.

Oh, and how many mass shootings have we had since the 00's?
Apparently, freedom didn't die.

Because there are more violent people here, necessitating the most efficient tools of self-defense. Thank you and good night.

Nope, now we're back to "why are Americans more violent, when the societal factors you blamed this on are not significantly different to Europe?".

You get your arse back here Mister, there's still five minutes till recess!

No, they did tighten gun ownership laws in the UK after the Dunblane Massacre. Many people are alive now because of it.