“The way you get shot by a concealed weapons permit holder is you point a gun at him”

Your "facts" are total bullshit. When we're talking about CCW holders, we're talking about law abiding people who carry a handgun for self defense...not an armed criminal robbing a grocery store.

Yeah. Poor little fella.

Fuck the kid! He got what he deserved. If more citizens would act like the guy who shot this scumbag criminal, society would be much better off.

And cry me a fucking river over how dire circumstances must be for this kid to resort to crime! Bull Fucking Shit! These kids do it for the thrill of it! They revel in the idea of being gangtas, and earning respect through fear and violence. He was a thug who just hadn't got caught yet...until now.

I rejoice his death!

We all know you welcome more deaths so you can hunt their ghosts. You're drooling a little.

If you believe that then you're a fucking idiot of the highest order.

Go work in a jail so you can get a grip on reality.

The fact that the kid had no criminal record just meant he hadn't been caught yet by the police.

Just speculating based on the police arresting a 29 year old suspect. It's more likely that the older suspect brought up the idea and had more experience carrying out robberies.

Mmhmm, any evidence of that? The sheriff is on record as stating the guy wasn't a troublemaker.

Sheriff: "This young feller weren't no troublemaker!"
"What about the pretty sizable chunk of trouble he made here today?"
Sheriff: "Welllllll, sure, okay, but aside from the trouble he made, he never made no trouble."

You only have to do it ONCE to earn yourself a trip to the Great Beyond.

"A happy ending. Lead in the right place".



And that's pretty mild compared to what others have said.

As I've said before when this has happened, this is not good, even if it was unfortunately necessary for self-defense.

So what would be good? The restaurant gives up the money, the robber is "enabled" thinking robbery is no problem, robs yet another business (generally how these things go) and ends up killing someone?

Fuck that......take out the trash before it stinks up your home and affects everyone.

In asking the question, one would think that you hadn't asked before and received the obvious answer.

It would be good if a young guy didn't become a robber and these sorts of incidents didn't occur in the first place. Of course, thinking about the underlying causes of crime requires abstract thought, which for some reason you are unable or unwilling to engage in.

Yes, "it would be good if" a lot of things. Something to think about when a robber has a gun in your face. Oh, wait, you don't have to deal with that! Well for those of us who do (everyone in my circle knows someone who's been robbed at gunpoint or shot, or yes committed armed robbery) know the underlying causes of crime. We just realize that these problems can only be fixed in the home.

I can't force a man to get education, keep his dick in his pants, stop running out on their families, etc. I can't force people to stop being greedy, and to be responsible for their actions.

I can't make prison such an awful hell-hole that NOBODY would ever go back.

But I can say "fuck you, I work for a living" and kill someone versus enable their lifestyle. Yes, every life is precious, and to prove that I'll start with saving mine.

Wait. You think that having a gun in your face makes you magically able to understand crime statistics?

The continued high crime rate in the US is indicative of the fact that the harshly punitive approach adopted does not reduce crime.

The moment a perpetrator draws a gun as an offensive act, their life is forfeit, because they've made it known that they will take a life to get what they want.

WTF? Harshly punitive? Maybe for bullshit drug crimes or whatever, depending on the state. Each state has it's own laws and punishments.

But harshly punitive in general? Right...you get sentenced to seven years for armed robbery, serve maybe four, five at most.

We have MULTIPLE FELONS running around robbing, shooting, assaulting, killing etc. until they finally get in front of a judge who puts them away for life, or they get killed conducting their typical criminal business.

Then again, you have enough money, you'll never see the inside of a prison cell anyway.

So, Rick.....what approach does work? We can pour money into "after school programs" job training, etc. and criminally minded fuckers will still do criminal shit. They don't give a shit! They were raised to not give a shit. Either give them money like a good bitch, or fight them when you can.

The I.R.S. take more of my money than all the armed robbers I'll ever encounter, but they don't stick a gun in my face and/or take my life from me. Armed robbers do.....it's not rocket science. Do what you need to do to protect your self, your family and your neighborhood.

The US system is objectively much more punitive than the rest of the first world. I suggest you take a look there, rather than pleading ignorance and even more bizarrely - pretending that you're automatically a better judge of the issue because you work with guns.

You won't of course, because it's patently obvious that you're looking for simple, preferably violent answers that make you feel good - just shoot them down.

Still waiting for your armchair quarterback version of how we answer the big question of stopping rampant violent crime here in America.

But I still can't fathom a reason for not shooting down people who want to shoot me down, or rob me. Crunching the numbers, and it still adds up to "I live, you die" when it comes to crime. I would much rather go to their candle-light vigil than they come to mine.

No, you aren't. You've decided to ignore it.

Here it is more simply. Look at what works better elsewhere and do that.

The problem is "elsewhere" doesn't have as many shit-bag violent criminals to begin with as we do.

My point: take the "elsewhere" criminals and bring them here. Send our criminals to "elsewhere". Any guesses which country gets the shitty end of that stick? Any guesses which civilian citizenry suffers?

Our culture is different, deny it all you want but I'll be the first to admit, we are some criminally minded violent rebellious people. Playing nice with said people gets you mercilessly mocked and ridiculed, and accomplishes nothing.

That said, violent crime is no surprise. Knowing this, either give up the money or kill them first. If you want to give up the money, that's okay.
If not, roll the dice and take your chances. Luck favors the well prepared!
Most concealed carry people have a lot of gun training. The shit-bag thug does not, so he dies most likely.

Should we give free shooting lessons to disenfranchised youth to even things up?

Circumstances never justify that choice. He shouldn't have aimed his gun at somebody. I'm not generally all that enthused by the idea of one person shooting another, but if you point a gun at another person, you are making the statement that you are willing to take a life. The customer was absolutely right to fire on this guy.

I'm sorry that it got to the point where the perp drew down on someone.

That said, I am NOT sorry that the perp got dusted once he did so.

Exactly! For every criminal who draws a gun, there are a hundred other people in the same economic circumstances who do not.

So we should all be on board with putting the criminals down like dogs. The justice system won't, that's for sure.

Every time a bad guy gets killed it gives other bad guys second thoughts about their line of work.

Or cause harm to someone else, at the very least. But yes, he made a series of really idiotic choices.

Oh, that's simple, all right, but not in the positive context of the word simple. Here's a clue for ya, douchebiscuit: We aren't 'elsewhere.'

The underlying causes of crime? In the case of malum in se crime, people want shit at no expense to themselves and they harbor an insufficient value of human life that they don't care who they hurt to get what they want.

In the case of victimless, malum prohibitum crime, it's actually the State, not the individual, who engages in crime; specifically, extortion.

There. There are your underlying causes of crime.

Awesome, but let me say this about the first part before Rick does:

These are the results of crime. We need to take away the social inequality that drives it. Everyone everywhere should just have everything given to them! Of course if you take all my money I can't pay taxes that help finance the schools you don't bother going to, but that's the catch-22 of the situation.

By the way social inequality doesn't explain The Italian Mafia (here in America anyway). Once Italians got a piece of the pie and became assimilated and educated and no longer second class citizens, they have no excuse to resort to crime but damn if those fuckers still don't have their fingers in the whole East Coast. They're just smart and scary enough to stay out of the news media, and their type of crime doesn't involve holding up stores and restaurants.

That said, nobody forces anyone to pick up a weapon and rob someone with intent to do bodily harm. Regardless of intent, intent can change and THEY HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.
Only someone who doesn't share in nature's grand scheme of evolution and survival would not want the robber dead (threat eliminated) at that point in time.

19 years old is an adult. This is a prime example of just how to fix stupid AND present a DARWIN award all at the same time. What a country!

Awe, how cute. Once again Henry is trying to educate us here dumb Amer'cuns about our own goddamn country from his comfy little Irish cottage across the Atlantic.

I bet he had already passed on his genes. :/