Agents of SHIELD

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  1. K.

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    Definitely, but some people say there's hope for season 2.
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    Wow. The follow up to Captain America was a stunner. Hydra is out in the open now. It's been Hydra all along. Coulson doesn't trust May any more. Lots of people are dead. Traitors exposed. Fan-fucking-tastic!!
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    Ok, that one was very good. They actually managed to pull of "nobody knows whom to trust" quite literally and completely. :techman:

    Still hampered by the lack of professional actors, but I'll take it.
  4. Forbin

    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

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    Clark Gregg, Ming-Na Wen and Bill Paxton aren't professionals?
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    Clark Gregg does ok. The rest seems like amateur hour, and that is hurting his performance, as well.
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    It didn't help the ratings as the show continues to struggle.

    Don't plan on there being a Season 2.
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    Incorrect. As has been pointed out, the show is basically a 1 hour advertisement for the movie franchise. Disney ain't giving that up any time soon.

    Plus, it's getting better with each episode.
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  8. Nova

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    Paxton has a lot of carisma. I'd put him on the short list for captain of a starship should such a series be made
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    Liking Agents of SHIELD more every time I see it. And with the fallout from Captain America II, the show will quickly get the characters down to an Angel or Firefly operations level (I'm guessing).
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    Finally caught up on this...watched like 10 episodes in the last week. As has been noted, it's gotten much better. I'm not liking Ward hydra storyline, it just feels too cliche. Hopefully he'll end up dead by season's end. Unfortunately, I don't expect that to happen and he'll be a reccurring villain. It still has a long way to go, but it's definately on the right track now.

    P.S. The jealous Fitz storyline, that needs to end sooner rather than later.
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    Kinda meh episode this week, nothing really major happened.

    Skye is really special *barf*

    but

    So is Raina

    The writers are working diligently to retcon Ward into a villain. I'm absolutely convinced they didn't decide he was hydra until the break and they discovered fans weren't warming up to him.

    They are telegraphing a Ward redemption plot so hard that the only way to make it more obvious would be a crawl at the bottom of the screen announcing it. Hopefully it's so obvious because it's a red herring. Even if it is the redemption is so obvious people like me will guess it may be a red herring.

    Ward wasn't trying to kill Fitz-Simmons, he knew they were flying low and was getting them away from Garret (also Tripp specifically mentioned a tracking device with Fitz (Chekhov's gun) they will use it to find them)

    Garret is now a super soldier.

    Overall not much happened, just moving the pieces around for next week and assassinating the Ward character. Incidentally, maybe Fitz will stop whining about Ward now.
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  12. Raoul the Red Shirt

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    I'd say that Ward is largely unredeemable, having murdered Hand and at least 4 other SHIELD agents among other misdoings.

    I don't see how anyone on the core team or whatever SHIELD morphs into could trust him going forward.

    I also don't think Brett Dalton has the chops to pull off broody and conflicted.

    I'd rather he just remain a recurring villain or gets dead.
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    I'd also prefer that, but I think they'll try to redeem him. I also don't think that Hand is dead for good.
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    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

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    Only Whedons think mass murderers are redeemable.
    At least with Angel, they had the excuse that he wasn't the same person without a soul.
    Spike? Fuck him. Unredeemable no matter what.
    Faith? Unredeemable for murdering that old professor in cold blood.
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    Coulson: " Prepare for a large file download"

    Skye: "How large"

    *FILE CABINET CRASHES THROUGH 4TH FLOOR WINDOW*
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    I think Ward's redemption is going to come in the form of a noble sacrifice. He's going to die in the process of saving someone else. Probably Skye.
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    That's my assumption too.
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    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

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    I sure hope so.
    That he dies, I mean. :bergman:
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    I don't want Hand to be dead, but there are not so many options for it to not be the case. We saw (about as explicitly as we might see on prime time TV) Ward shoot her in the gut and the head. It's been pretty clearly established at this point that Ward isn't some sort of triple agent and that he is truly Hydra.

    Option 1: "Hand" was a Life Model Decoy.

    For those who don't know, a LMD is an android designed to mimic human functions to the point where scanners can't identify it as artificial. Could be (and Tony jokes around that Coulson had reached "the Life Model Decoy of Tony Stark" in Avengers, so they exist in the Marvel Cinematic Universe). For this option to work, Hand would have had to have a LMD of herself made, had suspicions that Ward was bad that she didn't share with Coulson and had time to send the LMD in her place. Seems a bit of a stretch, but OK. One would think that real Hand would have surfaced by now, though.

    Option 2: Hand is resurrected using the same means that revived Coulson (or similar)

    Seems doubtful, since Hand's body was left way up by the Fridge, SHIELD agents have been too busy to arrange the extensive efforts it would take to resurrect one person, and the miracle cure used to revive Coulson, for all we know, was generally buried under tons of rock.
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    You should check IMDb forums, all kinds of people think Ward is a triple agent...of course they also think every offhand comment is some sign that a loony storyline from the comics is coming....nevermind that normal people wouldn't accept most of those stories.
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    Officially renewed
    :blow::dancer::chili::dance::nana::bananana:
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    Well that was certainly interesting. As much as I dislike Skye, I'm a little pissed we didn't find out more about why she's "Special" **barf**

    "Now I'm Unsto-"**SPLATTER**

    pretty surprised...Mr Director.
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    Well, it ended up better than it was for most of this season, but it isn't great.

    Some of the dialogue was absolutely horrid. "You never were on top"? Really?

    We ditched two bad actors, and got one actor in return who might be able to act, if they give his role more of a personality. And we'll need a plot, like we had during the last third of this season, as opposed to monsters of the week. I don't know if we'll get either, though.
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    Well I thought it was great, you just basically have to not pretend it's a serious show, it isn't.

    EDIT: Monsters of the week were the best part of X-Files, it's all in how they are handled.
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    Both true. For its first season, it seemed to me that Agents handled the more serious continuing plot a lot better than the previous monsters of the week.
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    I thought it was damn good as well. The "horrid" dialog is really a comic book trademark, and as long as it doesn't get too silly, I like it. Some semi-random thoughts:

    Looks like we're getting Tripp as a main character next season...cool. Like the guy.

    Wonder what is in store for Fitz. He's really grown on me in the last half of the season.

    Using AoS as world building is brilliant. Saves screen time for the movies.

    Current theories about Skye is she is part Kree (blue dude they took the bio-stuff from) which would make her an "Inhuman"...sort of.
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    Ten bucks says that weird circuit-looking diagram Garrett and Coulson were drawing has something to do with Ultron.
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  28. Nova

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    "two bad actors"

    I hope you don't mean Paxton. He was awesome IMO

    "need a plot"

    I assume rebuilding SHIELD is the overarching plot.

    I liked it but I agree you have to look at it as a live action comic book.

    Also, the patter between Colson and Fury was tons of fun.
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    Paxton was amazing! I was talking about the core cast. The mediocre dialogue isn't helped by the lack of professional actors, and now at least we've lost two of them. So for that, hail Hydra.
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    Have we lost two?

    Fitz isn't dead, and will certainly be back at some key time.

    Ward still has to do his redemption arc. We all know it's coming.