And Then There's This: Walkaway

I actually agree with 95% of that and have said so several times in this very thread. The snarky bit at the beginning should earn you a baba rep though because, yes, some people do not let facts or reality get in theor way of declaring anyone who disagrees to be a Nazi/Commie/Pejorative of choice and don't bother to listen or understand beyond that.

As I largely agree though I will over look your snark and simply leave you unrepped with this post as my reply.

There just are not that many people holding that second view point, certainly not in policy debates, that you are so ignorant as to think that is what everyone you disagree with believes shows what a clueless halfwit you truly are. Yes, you are a hyper partisan extremist and part of the problem.

Huh, I'm sorry, I guess you don't understand what that means. Allow me to explain.

Okay, so let's say you've got a skilled immigrant, the kind you claim to be okay with. One with a great job. She falls for some guy on Social Security Disability. Now he's entitled to that, right? But if they get married, under the proposed rule, she can never become a citizen. ONLY a xenophobic nationalist fuckwit sees nothing wrong with that.

Scenario 2: she only has an okay job, one that doesn't offer insurance coverage for spouses, and while he can support himself via a subsidized exchange plan, he relies on CHIP for his kid. As she's not the kid's mother, her employer-based insurer isn't required to offer to cover the kid. So even when they're married, the kid stays on CHIP. Under the proposed rule, she can never become a citizen. ONLY a xenophobic nationalist fuckwit sees nothing wrong with that.

Scenario 3: Like scenario 2 but without CHIP. Even a subsidized exchange plan counts and she can never become a citizen (as employers are not required to offer spousal coverage). ONLY a xenophobic nationalist fuckwit sees nothing wrong with that.

So, Dinner, are you a xenophobic nationalist fuckwit, or are you going to stand up and say "This is wrong."?

Is she entitled? Is she a citizen (entitled) or a non citizen resident (not entitled)? How long and how much has she paid in? As a general rule, no, we should not be elevating people to citizenship who cannot support themselves. Personally, I would copy PM May's suggestion of a sliding scale based upon how long and how much a person has paid into the system in order to determine how much they get out of the system.

Sorry, we cannot have the magic money machine where free life time rides are handed out to everyone, the cut off has to be some where, so citizenship seems like a logical place to put it.

If a person gets married to a citizen then they should get citizenship (after an appropriate amount of time has passed to show the marriage is real). So that part I would oppose if true though so far I have not seen that even after reading many articles on the matter from a variety of sources. Do you have a link?

Ack, this is the wrong thread. WTF happened?

I will never 'get' your casual acceptance of racism.

The entire #Walkaway thing was manufactured in Russia.

She is not receiving any benefits. He is as a citizen, but she would be unable to become a citizen if she married him. Link is the thread I thought I was replying in.

There you go douvling down on stupid claiming everyone who disagrees with your outlandish baffoonery is some how racist. Yes, you are the very picture of the hyper partisan dipshit he spoke about. The other side doesn't agree with something so automatically they are carnations of wvil sans any evidence at all.

Jesus Christ, you are now claiming Lanz is a racist because he argues against demonization and extremism.

And those people in the memes were stolen photos of models.

Learn to read.

Then practice your spelling.

Your touch with reality is weak. As a person who formerly worked in the field of propaganda (37F, baby!), broadly speaking, it is very hard to create new ideas or memes which are foreign to the target audience. It is much easier to take advantage of existing fractures, beliefs, or schisms and then amplify and exploit them.

The Russians are many things but stupid is not one of them. They take existing fringe issues then try to amplify those fringe issues and make them appear main stream but do not invent them whole cloth. So, no, they did not invent the issue, they just saw it and tried to magnify and exploit it. You'd do better if you learned a little tradecraft because no professional would take the hard road when the easy and more likely to be successful road is open to them.

I think you just did a huge amount of editing. Refresh and look again.

I fully expect the Russians to do that. Again, it is about amplifying fringe groups in order to make them appear larger/more main stream then they are then trying to exploit that rift.

Ok, so you remain an idiot. They mix truth with lies to bend the narrative the way they want. If it is all lies few if any will believe it so you use a spoonful of suger to help the poison go down.

Because there are no new ideas, period.

Every idea is out there, so of course they can find something to magnify.

This isn't a sizzling scintillating insight like you seem to think it is.

I recommend you stop responding to the racist. It's not worth debating him--nothing is going to change his racist mind (except maybe if he stops drinking).

Again, not a scintillating insight, of course every lie will have some truth in it, or it has no utility.
The only way for a lie to have absolutely no truth in it is if it's set in some wacky cartoon world with talking trees, and dinosaur rockstars with fried egg eyeballs.
Even the Bible knew not to get that crazy.

I looked, briefly through the thread and did not see a link such as the one you describe. Again, if the two of them are working junior would have insurance. I personally prefer single payer and so would not include medical stuff for children in the decision. Provided the parents are working and paying their share.

There are lots of new ideas. The goal of propaganda is to change thpughts and behaviors and, yes, it is much, much easier to exploit existing beliefs in order to do that rather than try to change the subjects entire belief system.

How dumb can you be?

Except it is, oh, dumb one. Kreig claimed it was invented entirely by the Russians, it was not, it was a fringe group which they decided was useful so they supported it and amplified it in order to achieve their objectives.

How can you be so mentally deficient as to not see that truth? How retarded can you be?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/im...ts-limit-citizenship-legal-immigrants-n897931

"Details of the rulemaking proposal are still being finalized, but based on a recent draft seen last week and described to NBC News, immigrants living legally in the U.S. who have ever used or whose household members have ever used Obamacare, children's health insurance, food stamps and other benefits could be hindered from obtaining legal status in the U.S."
Emphasis mine.

So, you're going to play the autism game like Dayton now?

Clearly he meant, absent the Russians, there's no walkway hashtag.

Not that they created their own subatomic particles, to create their own matter, to create their own computers, and then create their own electrons to feed into those computers.
Yes, everything's made out of something else in our closed universe.
Normal non-autists can skip over this part.

I would love to see documentation indicating that household includes people that are already citizens (as was hinted at) or if household include only others of the same legal status of the person seeking permanent status.

That's easy to explain. He doesn't worry about it because it hardly effects him.

Fuck off, cripple. That your gimpy freeloading ass thinks it's acceptable either way proves that your opinion is as worthless as your body.

Why? Does this change their need?