Another white asshole with a gun kills an unarmed black man.

Welp, I guess I appreciate your honesty.

It's a pretty damning condemnation of your society though.

Huh? Because we think a grown man in the physical prime of his life and with enough years to know better (turns out the guy was 30 something) physically attacking the elderly is a 1st class piece of shit? Should the elderly just
learn how to take a punch and play the victim? Not a society I would like to live in, but some people would rather treat shit-bags with kid gloves. What if somebody punched your dad in the head? Aplogize to the puncher for bruising his knuckles? Give me a break.

Summary execution is not a reasonable resolution of an assault. You suck.

Guess what - I'm betting a jury of his peers might beg to differ, even in liberal New York.
That's even if he even gets charged of course. Suck on that.
Go punch old men in your country if you don't want repercussions.
If that guy had attacked an old man in a crowded public area in many places his ass would have been
beaten into dog food or possible into the next world. Would that meet with your approval?

This just in! Police arrest..........wait for it............the other attacker!
Yes, the guy who was with the now dead shit-bag
and he's being charged with three separate charges!
And guess what - our shooter is still free.
Holy shit there might be hope for the big liberal coast cities yet.

http://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2015/03/11/deadly-shooting-in-brooklyn-subway-station.html

You didn't hurt my feelings, I just thought you were being particularly dumb in your attempts to weasel out of what you said. I intend to keep pointing it out when the need arises. I also note you are trying to change what you said and dismiss it as "butt hurt" which does tell me you understand how lame and pandantic you were being and are once again trying to change the subject.

Not what I'm saying at all and that guy is a first class piece of shit. I don't think it's reasonable to follow after him after the initial confrontation, start another confrontation and then shoot him. I just don't think a punch deserves a bullet. This whole thing seems avoidable and could have just ended with the initial aggressor asshole getting identified and arrested thanks to all of the cameras in the subway.

Not shooting a guy who punches another guy in the head is treating him with kid gloves? Yeeesh.

He's an army vet that used to box, he'd throw hands. What he definitely wouldn't do is shoot the guy.

You're really jacked up! Like not here, in life! Chill out, have a beer.

That's fine. That's your right. I, and the law, disagree. Unprovoked 32-year old male punches 69-year old male in face. 69-year old male is in fear of serious injury and uses lethal force to neutralize the threat. If I'm on the grand jury, I know which way I'm voting and you're not going to like it.

Now, this did not go down exactly like that. I acknowledge that. The problem is going to be the chase. If the 69-year old male retained statutory power of arrest, it is well within his power to give chase in an attempt to arrest and detain the suspect. If the suspect resisted, the 69-year old man has every right to defend himself against the felon (Punching someone in the face is Assault 2, a Class C Felony). If he does not retain statutory power of arrest, he probably should have let the guy go. But, even then it is murky. In the State of Alabama, any citizen that witnesses a Felony, again Assault in the 2nd, has the power to chase and detain, even to chase and enter on private property.

I see 14th Doctor has learned the method of the misleading headline, as perfected on Drudge. The strategy hinges on assuming most folks won't care enough to read the actual article. Black man kills another black man? Doesn't fit the Ferguson narrative - no problem! Just say the shooter is White. Passions adequately inflamed.

Well a lot of people didn't box.
BTW "throw hands" in some places and half the neighborhood stomps you into mud.
No, I'm not jacked up. I'm about as mellow as they come. But I hate people acting like dicks
so it's hard to have pity when they reap what they sow. They rolled the dice, they lost.

If I felt my life were in danger, yes. If not, no. Simple.

I just read that the shooter did not have the right to arrest, but he has the responsibility as a former corrections officer to walk away. That's not really fair, but whatever. Maybe he thought he did have the right to arrest? He probably never ran into this situation before. Who carries around a law book (as his lawyer will surely ask). Yes, he lawyered up and turned himself in immediately. Being New York he probably got mobbed by lawyers within seconds.
Another factor that will come up - getting a permit to carry a handgun in NYC is almost impossible. They don't hand them out like candy. But NYC deemed him as needing a gun because he faced tangible threats. Yes, you
better have a reason that you feel threatened and a paper trail to prove it. This guy probably takes a lot of shit
from people that do not like cops, correction officers, and related authority figures.

Ideally he should be fined for discharging a weapon within city limits then walk away free as a bird. But I doubt NYC would find that amusing.

Elwood, stop it. It is not even remotely believable that he was in fear of his life. People who are in fear for their life do not chase a man for blocks, start a new confrontation, and then execute them. The man is a murderer who belongs in jail.

They said that about Zimmerman - and the cop who shot Michael Brown - and last week a cop shot a guy in Madison and I don't think he's charged with murder. And yes, politics matter so being black - and old?
I don't see a murder charge and if does happen - he walks. But you never know.
Yes, the killing could have been avoided - by not fucking with the old guy to begin with.
It never pays to be a dick. Kids should learn this from Kindergarten on up. It would save a lot of trouble!

This is what I said before I knew the races of those involved.

But now that I know that it was a black guy who gunned down an unarmed white youth, I've reconsidered. Here's what I think NOW:

Yeah, pursuit's going to be a problem. The shooter may be able to claim he was attempting to detain the deceased person and, if the man resisted, that he was forced to defend himself. It's all in the details.

Getting away with murder is entirely seporate from the fact that it is simply not believable that he was ever in fear for his life.

Shooter has the sympathy vote six ways from Sunday. Oh and another detail - the bullies may have
been drunk. This not confirmed yet however. Ouch - drunk bullies with the strength and aggressiveness of relative youth, racial slurs and physical attack. And he must have felt threatened on a regular basis or he wouldn't have a gun license. Much to fear if you are 69 and you know how scatterbrained they can get under stress. This will be a very interesting case - if it goes to trial.

The key phrase here is "serious physical injury." As a middle-aged man, tripping and falling will most likely result in a few days of aches and pains. Age makes a difference. For a 69-year old man it could mean a broken hip.

Someone punches me in the face, yeah, I'm worried about serious physical injury. Recall the story I mentioned up thread about my buddy. My 15-year old cousin spent last Friday night in the hospital because she got a concussion while playing Soccer. There's a reason our use of force policy requires that lethal force be justified if blows to the head are purposefully used by an officer.

I have found, generally, that people that get upset about this particular detail, punching, are the types of people that regularly throw punches or were known to do so in the past. It could have been them, hence the reaction.

I used to fight a lot as a kid, like most of us old-timers. But if you are 30 something and still punching, you
will, eventually, end up in a world of hurt legally or physically. Most adults don't have time for that nonsense, so they end up going to extremes - be a punching bag/play the tail between their legs victim, or go lethal.
Regardless my "don't be a dick" training should augmented with "don't fuck with old people" training too.

I'm trying to remain objective. But, I have to admit that my two big hot buttons are child abuse and elder abuse. I will not simply stand by and allow it to happen if there's anything I can do about it.

I'm about to be a first-time grandfather and looks like it will be a girl. If anyone thinks I was protective of my daughter, they can't imagine how protective I'll be of her baby! And every single one of her uncles, grandfathers, and her dad (my son-in-law) are either cops or military or a combination of both. It would
be reaping a whirlwind indeed.

Yes it is believable, because people do it all the time. If they didn't, the number of attempted infantry assaults throughout history would stand at zero. "Fear for his life" does not mean curled up in the fetal position crying like a baby.

The deceased wasn't White, he was a light-skinned Hispanic

And I think most folks would feel similarly. The shooter may ultimately have the facts of the LAW against him, but the court of public opinion is going to be very firmly on his side.

Few conservatives are going to jump on a senior citizen who shot up a punk who was clearly trying to earn a bullet. And few liberals are so gung-ho to prosecute a marginal self-defense case it means having to overlook the obvious racism in the punk's behavior.

He was a white Hispanic, damn you!

Didn't Zimmerman prove Hispanic can mean different things to different people? Demographically they are like
Shroedinger's Cat on any given day.

From what I gather, Hispanic and Latino are different. Hispanic, I think, includes Spanish and people who associate with a link to Spain whereas Latino is people in the Spanish speaking world who don't connect to Spain. I think that's the simplified version.

That's part of it. But then we get into the whole "white, non-hispanic" category used sometimes (but not all the time) depending on whether you are a real estate agent or not.

It's amusing seeing you teaching a cop about the law...

No, Hispanic does not include the Spanish, who are as European as French, English, or Germans. People from Spain are not Hispanic, they're Spanish. The difference is profound under US law.