So what were they voting for? Were they voting for a several hundred million pound bonus, which they were promised, or 0, which they are getting? Were they voting for a closed border to the EU with its threatening waves of refugees, or an open Irish border?
Looks like the UK is going full Orwell, 'Merka has to step in and give it some freedom. And it's not like you can stop us since you're all disarmed.
All right, Captain Anime, why is this dumb? Except, of course, for the fact that you don't like having your faulty logic picked apart?
Can't wait. America has a log and proud history of bringing freedom and prosperity to failing countries, raising them out of poverty, removing dictatorships and preventing atrocities. Quality of life, equality and social progress always benefit. Just look at the long list of successes you've had.
We'll get in line after ISIS, the Taliban, Iran, NK and all the others you seem to think you can stop but somehow haven't despite the most bloated military budget on the planet. In the meantime, we'll be over here buffering Russian for ya. Because we're polite like that.
Definitely. America is the only shining city on the hill that we have, make no mistake. Which is why your ilk's deeply anti-American bent grates us so much.
No, we're just not wasting any more time engaging with someone who isn't interesting in actually engaging back.
That makes two for 50, and even Germany is an asterisk since the world decided to beat them like a redheaded stepchild after WWI. Not doing that would've done a lot to curb another world war.
Largely because no one really seems to understand what you were trying to say. Perhaps if you posted a little more constructively it would help? Oh, by the way, America fixed Germany and Japan? Good to know. Not sure how being part of an international alliance which won a war you only entered when you came directly under attack qualifies as bringing freedom and prosperity to two of the worlds' most powerful nations especially since both had grievances against us all. After all, you didn't think Japan attacked Pearl Harbour for shits and giggles did you?
No, and we didn't rebuild them after we kicked their asses for shits and giggles either, but the fact is we still did it, and that much of Europe has the Marshall Plan to think for its recovery post-WWII. BTW, are you somehow implying the US was wrong to sanction Japan for what it was doing in Manchuria?
I'm saying collectively not rebuilding in Germany post WW1 was a mistake, we crushed a defeated foe again and again long after the conflict was over, punishing the innocent generation who would grow up to fight WW2. Had it not been for the consequent hyper inflation and near economic collapse of a then superpower Hitlers' rise to power would have been all but impossible. As for Japan, I'm saying there are always precursors to a conflict, there's no way the US could possibly claim in all honesty to be an innocent party or the heroes of the hour. Yes Japan had committed those atrocities but the US position to negotiate a peaceful outcome relied on an absolute moral authority they could not claim given the blatant discrimination practised against Japanese American immigrants, the so called "yellow peril", not to mention decades of previous interactions between the two, characterised pretty much thusly. Equally US entry into a war which had already dearly cost their allies was not only delayed but based solely on self interest given the alliance between Germany and Japan. The US did not "kick their asses", the Allies did and it cost everyone involved on both sides dearly. The reason the US was in a position to contribute so much to rebuilding was in no small part due to two key factors: 1) Their relative non involvement in the early stages of the war (lend lease aside) wherein the costly defensive fighting against a resurgent German military machine was almost exclusively the domain of European powers and Russia 2) Relative geographical remoteness making strategic damage to the US infrastructure largely a non factor at any stage both leading to America coming out of the war comparatively unscathed.
Spot, who do you think was pushing to punish Germany and force it to pay the entire cost of the war at Versailles? France. You will notice the President Wilson had a completely different approach but France demanded retribution.
I know, which is an interesting historical anecdote about the value of Democratic "Dove" policies and how much damage they can prevent. Arguably Wilson could have prevented WW2 right there if he'd had his way. It's a shame he couldn't make it swing either with his allies or at home given he was facing a republican senate majority. However that fact doesn't seem to have registered with a disaffected, politically volatile youth who only knew that the ToV had been signed by all of the allied powers and had essentially led them to the situation we see in the Weimar Republic. We signed it, France signed it, the US signed it and it was very much part of the chain of antecedents allowing the Third Reich to happen.
May has to be done now. The "revised" deal is going down to another big defeat tonight, followed presumably by a request for a delay - which will have to be approved by the EU and which will come with conditions attached. I think it'll be a two year delay or something of that order. May will resign, there'll be a general election and/or another referendum and the decks will be somewhat cleared for the British to go back to the table on another basis. Or maybe we get no deal and societal collapse. Who knows?
As much as cancelling the whole thing altogether would be ideal, I think a good delay to try and piece something together and then get the electorate to vote it to fuck out would be the best outcome. The bad thing I suppose is another 2 years of uncertainty and crap exchange rates but we will get there. Got to be better than no deal.... Did you see Dispatches last night? Rees Mogg getting it tight for his extra curricular investments.......
That's an easy place to go with 20/20 historical hindsight. Taken in the context of the times, Hitler prior to September, 1939 was not seen as much of a threat to the United States, whereas Japan was a huge problem for us at that point, had been since the mid-1930's, and we'd been anticipating some sort of Pacific War against Japan since then. There were war scares over Japan and immigration issues that the country was dealing with before Hitler was ever even on our national radar. Lots of good reading on this subject if you are a WWII history nut. I can give you a list if you're interested, otherwise I won't bother with it.
I caught a bit of it, including some of his interview. It's the first time I've seen him rattled - to give him some credit he is one of few politicians who actually answers the questions put to him - but not on this occasion.
And yet, when the US went war after 12/7/41, our primary target was Germany. Only about 15% of our military output (which was something like 90% of US production during the war) went towards fighting Japan. It's almost as if we knew something.
By that time, we did know something. 12/7/41 was a whole different world than 9/1/39. By the time we went to war, FDR had us all but in it anyway, and they had already made the 'Germany First' determination behind the scenes. War Plan Orange (for Japan) was already being re-written into Rainbow-5 before we even officially entered the war.
