Brexit now leading by 10 points

It's a serious question. The British joined a pact in which they surrendered a significant amount of sovereignty and control. They're now subject to EU mandates coming from Brussels. In retrospect, why would British allow French, Germans, and Croatians more say over Britain than Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders, or even Americans? If you're going to surrender some sovereignty to somebody, why would you choose Spanish, Italians, and Bulgarians over Canadians? Germany has almost a hundred seats in Brussels. France and Italy have about 70. Spain and Poland have about 50, and Romania has about 30. Even Cyprus and Malta have 6 seats each. Canada has 0. Australia has 0. New Zealand has 0. Iceland has 0. Norway has 0. The US has 0. Japan has 0.

It's fine as a trading block, but if I was picking foreign bureaucrats to be in charge of writing laws and directives that I had to obey, my list would've looked quite different.

There is an argument that it applies to certain Brexit voters, but otherwise I agree. Most leave voters have other motivations.

You may or may not be aware of this, but Libertarians are often accused of being isolationist because we want to significantly reduce our military presence in the world. That doesn't mean still can't trade among nations or form alliances when necessary to defend ourselves. Being in an integrated world economically and spreading democracy through example and capitalism through trade is not isolationist. I'm assuming that if the UK left, it would still trade and it would still participate in world affairs.

I'm not doing anyone except myself, and I am serious. I'm not in this debate to score points; I'm saying what I believe and if it's wrong I want to know. I don't see how any part of what you said is supposed to show that moving out of the EU isn't a major step away from transnational co-operation, and if it does, I'd like you to explain how.

Then note that that isn't at all the word I used, nor the concept.

You didn't use the word isolation?

Libertarians are accused of being isolationist because at their fund raising dinners every one of them gets a table all to themselves.

The only sensible response to a gturner post looks like this:

Of course I used the term isolation, as in isolation from the EU; that's what this referendum is about. I did not use the word isolationist. You are complaining that people are wrongly being accused of isolationism. I am not making that accusation. If you're claiming that the referendum to isolate from the EU does not exist, you're simply wrong.

They're not isolating from Europe, they're separating from the EU. Isolation implies cutting off trade and alliances.

If the world population consisted of Dan Leaches only, we'd probably live in a hippie paradise. I give you this. Problem is, not everybody is a smug, oh so enlightened hippie like you. The "Nazikeule" should only be used with caution, or else it becomes a meaningless buzzword which is disrepectful to the victims of real fascism.

The EU is an alliance, and mostly about trade.

It's hard to think of anything more ironic than someone proclaiming that - leaving a government body filled with un-elected politicians - would have pledged allegiance to Adolf Hitler's Nazi Germany.

So Britain can no longer trade with EU countries if they leave?

Aye. The Chunnel will be collapsed and the EU Navy will form a blockade around the entirety of Britain.

"Remain" has given us their argument:

Nowhere near as easily. Again, we are not talking about complete isolationism, but we are talking about isolating the UK from the EU.

That wouldn't be a bad thing because the EU has cooties.

I live here and I find aspects of our culture too loud, vulgar & immature! Everything has to be bigger, louder, faster & more "in your face" every year. And it's not just me, or my age - a lot of younger people feel the same way. My current pet peeve is GIANT FUCKING VEHICLES! Dude, unless you need a big truck to haul a boat trailer or five kids, you don't need a fucking tank-sized vehicle. and my hobby (archery & bow hunting) is really insane. You have a bow that shoots 250 feet-per-second? That's not enough! Next year they are coming out with one that shoots 300 feet-per-second. You have two surveilance cameras in the woods to monitor deer movements? Forget that! Now you need ten, and with super high-def ability!
Sorry, I'm not into that. I hunt with an old fashioned "stick & string" wooden recurve bow shooting wooden arrows at 145 feet-per-second - yes I am the only guy using such equipment out of about 50 hunters. I'l never let technology steal the "spirit" of the hunting experience.

Yeah, but you're hunting little juvenile deer and everybody else is hunting deer the size of elk and moose!

How is that?

I haven't been following this story all that close. Is England going to have a revolution and split off from Europe? If they need any pointers, we can hook them up on this sort of thing.

Negative - only white tails here in Georgia - and my wooden arrow with 125 grains of steel fired from my 50 dollar bow will go through any deer that ever walked, just like the carbon arrows from their 500 dollar compound bows. That said the area I'm hunting in this year is pretty far out, so I'd rather drag a small deer 1-1/2 miles than a large one. I'm the only hunter without a truck, too. The way I hunt is not for the average man - and that's just the way I like it! That's why I'm conditioning the living dog-shit out of myself getting ready for September.

You are a hunter without a truck?

But the white tails they almost get are always the size of an elk! They're gonna need a bigger bow! Kentucky's elk herd is over 10,000 now.

What draw weight is your favorite recurve?

Wow are we really comparing people who want to leave the EU to Nazis?

But the Nazis were trying to create an EU that would last a thousand years.