California Funds Nation's First Inmate Sex Change Surgery

Too late, you've got the mental image of churro-dick in your head all day now.

Because of pandering politicians who don't know the system they are trying to fuck up? Because of biased politically motivated judges who are trying to legislate from the bench?

Yep, pretty much those two.

I would have to agree with this specific statement here. If you get something no one else gets other inmates will be insulted even if it is something they do not need or want.

Most mentally ill aren't chronically suicidal so spending forever in a mental hospital is a waste of a rare bed.

as I've said before - in this thread - if you apply this to all conditions which cause suffering, then congratulations on your intellectual consistency.

However, the courts have long ruled against that kind of thinking so it's basically just fantasizing.

it's treatment. If I switch the insulin to, say, a back brace - that's not medicine, but it's a form of treatment

my guess is that being pissed about something or other is probably the constant state of mind of at least some portion of the inmate population. To reference some of our more conservative friends here, the object of incarceration isn't happiness.

No. Don't even try this bullshit with changing things up.

A razor is not treatment. It's not medicine.

Inmates don't complain about others medicine because even they are not as stupid as you to think they should all get the same medicine.

This person is not special because they had a sex change operation. This person doesn't deserve treatment above and beyond what any other inmate gets.

You are a thousand times more whiny as a woman than you ever were as a religious nut. You are unable to see clearly the issues at hand and are fanatical about transgender issues. You are unable to think clearly because of it.

This is a jail thing. Yes, people are angry in prison, but you make yourself a target for them when you get something. They have nothing better to do than to stew over it and make plans on how to screw with you about it. Sure there may be some ok people, but you are in a place where you have a high concentration of selfish assholes who make decisions to do harm to others. Also being in the position of getting one over on the prison as the guards and warden will see it puts you in a position where they are going to overlook a certain amount of inmates fucking with you, they are going to be biased against you in inmate vs inmate disputes, the COs may screw with you, and the other inmates know you are alone.

Yes, it sucks living with the beard, but it may be worse making a stink about things.

Except this person is in jail for murder, so a life sentence isn't exactly cruel and unusual.

Well an inpatient psychiatric bed costs $1,000,000 a year to run. And dickyotomy costs $100,000. So are you sure joe taxpayer wants the psych bed?

The bigots who want to make a social statement do.

Wait hold on.

There is no reason this particular inmate needed a psych bed just because he wanted to cut off his dick and turn into a woman. Nor do people who try to kill themselves need a psych bed. Those you just put back into population after they heal up.

I'm talking about people who are legit schizophrenics. Those people need to be locked up and as much money as the states and feds waste we can handle warehousing them.

I'm just following CaptainX. I don't think being transsexual means you need inpatient care. Of course if there are other Mental issues that's a separate issue. Even many suicidal inmates go for short term hospital stays and then go back to their cells.

Whiny?

Perhaps but I'm not the one bitching because an inmate needs 5 lousy minutes with a razor.

And if you consult professionals who treat trans people, they will tell you in a heartbeat that physical traits which provoke dysphoria cause suffering, and that the proper treatment for that suffering is to mitigate the circumstance which provokes the dysphoria. For fucks sake that is specifically WHY the GRS was medically indicated.
In what logical world does it make sense that a $20,000 surgery was medically necessary because male "junk" was at issue but 5 minutes with a cheap razor every day (because a male beard is at issue) is too heavy a burden for the state to bear?

My argument is- in part- that she's a target either way. She'd be a target if she'd had it all removed by electrolysis before she got to prison, just for being trans, but in this circumstance, both the razor and the beard will make her a target so that aspect of the situation is moot.

Can i just check, we are still talking about a convicted murderer here?

Yes. Her right to become a female in prison on my dime is very very important.

Because.

If someone is sentenced to life in prison, then the state has the LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY of keeping them alive. This is not debatable.

Which is why people who oppose the death penalty yet openly say "they'll get what's coming to them in prison" is ridiculous beyond measure.

I remember a death row inmate who when they came to take him for execution was discovered to have made a makeshift noose and hung himself.

They cut him down and rushed him to the hospital, saving his life.

Then brought him back to prison and executed him. Because up to the point of his execution in the manner mandated by the courts they had a legal obligation to keep him alive.

"Then brought him back to prison and executed him. Because up to the point of his execution in the manner mandated by the courts they had a legal obligation to keep him alive." - Dayton3

Funny (at least to me) is the state has a legal obligation to keep you safe, and will do so if you commit such a terrible crime that you will be sentenced to death. Yet if you are a typical (not news worthy) inmate they don't really give a shit about you, and if you get beat to death or otherwise fucked up nobody gives a shit.
So the takeaway lesson here is if you are going to fuck up, make sure it's a "high profile" case or you are just another number and nobody gives a shit about your fate and thus won't be held accountable.

Yes.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.brei...d-killer-moved-female-prison-sex-inmates/amp/

Cis women prisoners have sex with each other in prison, too.

That said, why did they send her there with all the kibble and bits attached?

This is happening here too? Fucksake, so i have to foot the bill for some murderimg scumbag to get a sex change too

Doesnt seem like the sex change surgery happened yet

But given that two female child molesters got out of prison because they couldn't read lips and only some in sign language (thus making prison too cruel or whatever ) I'm surprised the UK hadn't done this sooner.

Also, I thought the NHS would pay for that anyway if she were a civilian. I get why Americans would be pissed, but from where I'm sitting it's six in one hand and a half dozen in the other in Britain.

The NHS will cover sex changes, no issue with this.

I do have a hard time accepting im funding a murdering scumbag getting one.

Again, you're all paying into the government health care either way, so not getting the anger.

If they let her go tomorrow the NHS would pay for the kibble and bits to be removed and it's still on your tax dollar either way.

The NHS is creaking under the strain at the moment. I don't have any problem paying my share for the NHS. I dont have a problem with the NHS having sex changes as an approved option. I do however have an issue with paying for convicted murderers getting this type of treatment. Its not a difficult concept to grasp nor is it a controversial position to take. Someone convicted of torture and murder waived away their rights and claims in my book.

Reading the links, it looks like we at least have this scumbag sussed out.

you have a source problem