Can someone please tell me a real problem with the Iran nuke deal.

You actually trust Iran and the President when Iranian leaders have shouted death to America and the President is doing everything he can to keep Congress out of the loop?

Chamberlain trusted Hitler and we saw how that turned out.
As a certain Captain once said,"don't trust them, don't believe them."

Problems have already started.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/iran-accuses-u-s-of-lying-about-new-nuke-agreement/

Any underground target can be destroyed by conventional weapons eventually.

Dayton, you fool. Don't you see we need Iran to help clean up the hell-hole we created just west of them?

Right, I'm the one living in a fantasy land. I've got two words for you idiots: agreed framework.

I have no doubt we could easily defeat Iran in a war. That's entirely beside the point. To quote a famous politician and great leader, "let us redefine progress to state that just because something can be done, it does not necessarily follow that it must be done."

Your argument disregards that a non-violent solution, when viable, is always preferable. A half-destroyed, humiliated, and useless for 20 years Iran is not a good outcome. Long term, the goal should be that Iran is again our ally.

Japan is our ally now.

So is Germany.

Massive destruction and "goal should be our ally" are not mutually exclusive.

Is it #Obama #benghazi #hillarygate or dementia?

It is the "Obama Administration Has proven to be idiots when it comes to negotiations" dementia.

So, all of the above, gotcha. As if the war mongering weren't already enough for us to disregard your point of view.

Inspection by other countries mean jack shit anyway. For example when I was in Germany 2000-2004 the Russians could inspect pretty much everything and anything we had on post (in our motor pools, aircraft hangars, etc.) And no doubt we could do the same to them. Part of the keeping everyone honest treaty or whatever. Anything larger than one cubic foot had to be accounted for. But we knew when they were coming. You can't just show up and say "here we are kids!" and get your inspection accomplished.
So if we had anything dangerous where it shouldn't be or not labeled properly or things that would raise any questions, all we had to do was put it in the trunks of our cars in the parking lot. They only inspected military property.
Do they not understand the US military at all? Or do they really know that nothing we do is ever on the level when we think something is useless bullshit
but just "check the blocks" so they can say "nothing to see here - everything is kosher" to their bosses?
Sorry, unless an inspection is not announced you will NEVER find what you want to find or see what you want to see.
What a fucking joke.

nuclear enrichment facilities do not equal motor pools.

Oh and Iraq. Where inspections and sanctions were doing a bang-up job of containing Saddam until we went and broke it.

IIRC that was some kind of inspection agreement that went back to post World War Two between the western allies and the Soviet Union. The U.S. and British didn't mind continuing it as it gave them an opportunity to get a close up look at Soviet weapons and facilities in East Germany.

IIRC it was 1982 when an American inspector was murdered by East German guards in the midst of such an inspection.

You missed my point. Not just nuclear but any materials that could be chemical/biological/banned weapons etc. were subject to inspection.
Of course at my unit's level we didn't know exactly what was on that list or cared. So anything that looked like it could be illegal or would bring up a red flag in any way we just hid rather than have a big hassle.
And sorry but if Saddam did have NBC weapons he was not an idiot.
If the UN was involved (if I remember the UN was involved in much of the inspections) Saddam would have blown smoke up their ignorant
incompetent asses. Or he would have taken them to Syria where we know he took a lot of shit to hide because when I was there in 2003
we captured some of them still taking shit across the Swiss Cheese border of Syria. It was cash and gold of course, but some military things too.

Funny side note: when US forces invaded and the country was in total shit hitting the fan combat & chaos
Saddam's sons went on a bank robbing spree! Then they just hauled ass To Syria and laid low for a while because they knew we couldn't go into Syria.
Sort of like The Taliban hiding in Afghanistan. Once neighboring nations aren't on board with the US, it makes it 100 percent easier
for them to operate safely. Even though it's what I did for a living, war is a total fucking joke when you think about it, especially
modern warfare and politics.

So another bullshit feel-good program that endangers everyone but accomplishes nothing. Well I won't say "nothing" because if
one clueless rose-colored glasses wearing person sleeps better at night, it's worth it.

You can't exactly just hide enriched uranium and centrifuges in the trunk of your car.

Gul, they are well past worrying about little things like facts or reality.

Forget it. You missed my point. Anyway unless there there is 100 percent eyeball witness to everything they do 24/7 things will still be hidden somewhere.
Iran will never let us see everything we need to see. We will no fucking doubt take this up the ass and be played for fools. The US will farm this out
to 3rd parties who are trusting and incompetent. Like sending the five Gitmo guys (Berghdahl deal) to Qutar will they will be "monitored."
Two of the five have already got back into terrorism. "WHOA! Didn't see this coming" said nobody with a brain and a backbone.

What should be absolutely 100% clear is that the raving right wing lunatics do not have any better ideas. Their only idea is a war, probably launching nuclear bunker busters because that is what it would take, while alienating the whole world and having the sanctions regime collapse.

They don't have a single alternative or better idea while this frame work is actually a damn good one which really does eliminate Iran's nuclear weapons program and vastly improves our ability to detect any possible cheating. It is a damn good deal but they hate it because... Obama.

Republicans are Mad Because Obama is the President They Wished George W. Bush Had Been

The Iranians were celebrating in the streets because we caved on all the issues. They refused snap inspections, refused to ship their enriched uranium elsewhere, refused to shut down their heavy water reactor, nuclear research, and most everything else, and get to keep all their centrifuges.

Why do you lie?

Here's the first sentence in that article.

Why should I read any further?

Lemme guess. Was that your alma mater's motto?

@gturner is no George Washington. He can indeed tell a lie.

The real problem with the Iranian nuke deal is Iran.

Iran has done absolutely nothing to indicate they are trustworthy in my lifetime. It's amazing how short people's memories are.

Thus the independent verification and instant snap back for sanctions.

Based on what?

UN Inspections? The same UN where the head inspector later said he would NEVER find Iraq in violation because he "wouldn't allow his findings to justify war".

I will put it this way

IF Iran violates their agreement, would you support U.S. military action (alone if necessary)?

As a promulgator of that very premise, you probably shouldn't. Too many big words.

Now, on the other hand, if you were able to refute the observation, you'd do so. Because you can't, here you are.

That anyone can even consider using Iraq to argue against UN inspections and in favour of war is too ludicrous for words.