Can someone please tell me a real problem with the Iran nuke deal.

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  1. Dayton Kitchens

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    ^Your "evidence" ..........genius is an "episode from CNN"?

    Kind of rather thin to hang future international relations on wouldn't you say.
  2. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    I get the feeling he's never met an Iranian, and knows absolutely nothing of their history and culture.
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    It's one piece of evidence among thousands. Google will yield many more, but we all know you won't look for fear of actually learning something.

    That you refuse to open your mind speaks volumes about you, coach.

    A "genius" you most certainly are not.
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  4. Dayton Kitchens

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    You would be wrong.

    My college had a fair number of students from the Middle East. Lebanon, Iran to name just a couple of nations.
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    Ahmedinejad was term limited, which is why he's no longer president. He was also from a party almost entirely made up of the Revolutionary Guards, and the president he replaced was from the Association of Combatant Clerics. The current president, though a social reformer, was approved to run by the Guardian Council, and they are far from moderate.

    But the president doesn't set policy, the Supreme Leader does, and their current supreme leader was president of Iran throughout the 1980's, when Iran was perhaps at its worst.
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    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    And you knew these people? You spent multiple hours engaged in conversation, ate with them, visited their homes? Seeing somebody with a darker complexion from across the street doesn't count.
  7. Dayton Kitchens

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    Beyond that gul, you think that would make any difference?

    Be realistic, you think associating with people from another country is going to give me a long term affection and appreciation for Iranian history or culture.

    Tell me gul, if you came and lived in my community for a couple of months do you think you would accept and appreciate my communities values, history, or culture?
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    And with this post you prove that you either can't read very well or that you purposely twist others' words.

    I said it was just one of hundreds.

    So are you stupid or a hypocrite?

    I'd say...yes.
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  9. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    I haven't been to your community, but I see no reason to think I wouldn't find things to admire. I spent time in a rural community in Alabama and came away with a strong affection for the place and its people. So you are likely as wrong about this as you are about most other things.
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  10. Dayton Kitchens

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    You like attacking me and my background gul?

    What about yours?

    IIRC you're from Boston. I've read that Boston is the "whitest" (most causasian) major American city in the whole country.

    So where is your months or years of exposure to the "brown people"?
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    And

    If I give ONE example of something to support my position and then add that one example is "just one of hundreds" (or thousands) then I assume you will believe me without question?

    Thanks. I'll keep it in mind.
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    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    Boston does have a white population just slightly above 50%, though it has also been bellow that in recent years. I'm not sure whether that makes it the whitest big city in the country, but that's still a pretty large minority population. My zip code, by the way, is majority minority, so by your metric, I am to be considered an expert on minority populations.
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    Fine we'll take your word on that then.
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    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    And well you should. So, we have demonstrated that I am an expert, while you are not, and I am empathetic, while you likely are not. If you took your own challenge about living in another community, would you find anything to admire after a few weeks in, say, Boston or San Antonio? (just to randomly pick some places that are different from where you live)
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    Unlike you, coach, I'd probably look for myself to see if what you claimed was factual. If it was, you'd most certainly get credit from me.

    Despite your newfound fetish for the word, you're the hypocrite here, coach. You demand and dismiss evidence provided by others but rarely provide any of your own.

    That you ever entertained aspirations for public office is one of the most delusional things I've ever heard. :lol:
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    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    You've read wrong. It's Portland, Oregon.
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    Well Obama certainly is doing his best to lose the Jewish vote for the Democrat party, which is undeniably huge for them. Although I suppose his border and immigration policies offset that.
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    So if you want neither war nor treaties, what do you want?
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    Tough sanctions are somehow not an option?
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    None of the above is just as good.
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    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Because all Jews are pro-Bibi. I expected you to be smarter than that. :jayzus:
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    A.k.a. a nuclear attack on Israel?
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    Seriously, it's become a big issue. 75 percent of American Jews normally support the Democrat, but even before this deal was announced that support had dropped to 54 percent. Obama's bellicose stance toward Israel could see things hit a tipping point where he quickly becomes about as popular as Arafat.
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    That's what the deal ensures, which is why Saudi Arabia and Israel have been discussing an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities. Just about everyone in the region would probably join in if invited.
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    This deal will end in disaster and Israel will bomb the nuclear facilities.
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    When Iran only had a hundred or so centrifuges Bush was trying to negotiate with Iran to give them up, but Obama sent an envoy telling them not to negotiate because he would give them a better deal, since he wants to be friends with them. So now they have about 19,000 centrifuges and a verbal deal, one so vague that even the New York Times says the two sides aren't even on the same page.
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    Sanctions and containment.
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    I wasn't talking about Bibi. Jews tend to react poorly - and rightly so - to a nation that constantly touts their extinction.

    I didn't expect you to be smarter than that.
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    Sanctions is what we had. They're only useful as a motivation for negotiations. If you don't want to negotiate, what good will sanctions do?

    I'm not sure what you mean by containment. Handing Iraq over to ISIS?
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    Isn't that what the people against the deal want anyway? So logically, then, you should favor this deal, as you see it achieving your objective.