Cancel Culture Doesn't Exist

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  1. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    K'mpec is still fat.
  2. Uncle Albert

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    The distinction there is that you have some claim to my deference, where random, self-important dickbag strangers do not.
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  3. Jenee

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    No, they don’t. But I think everyone deserves the same respect. That’s all “political correctness” is. It’s just saying “please treat people with dignity and respect”.

    Arguing against it just say “I can be a fucking asshole to who I want, when I want, where I want. And you can’t stop me.”

    And that’s true. You can and no one can stop you.

    But we can shame you.
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  4. Lanzman

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    To repeat a cliche, respect must be earned. The great mass of humanity is little more than a herd of animals with thumbs. Demonstrate to me that you are rational and considerate and I will show you respect. Act like a typical screaming monkey and you fail.
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  5. Jenee

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    That’s exactly the kind of thinking that we shame you.
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  6. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    HA! No shit. Fuck Starbucks and their overpriced bitter fancy designer coffee. :dayton: Hipsters hanging around on their laptops. Oh but Starbucks plays jazz! I bet most of those idiots can't even tell Sonny Rollins from Horace Silver. If you want fresh tasty but affordable coffee you can't beat Circle K.
  7. Diacanu

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    And until it's earned?
    Indifference, or assholism?
    And by what standard should it be earned?
    Storm won't respect a fucker if he believes in the holocaust.
    Do you want his respect?
    I fucking don't.
    How about this?
    How about we default to not being assholes to each other?
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  8. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    The two positions are not in conflict. I can withhold my respect without being an asshole. But sadly, long experience has shown me that most people have "asshole" as their default setting, so there you are.
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  9. Diacanu

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    Can you?
    I'm not quite sure you understand what these words mean.

    To withhold respect is disrespect.
    By definition.

    I think you're mistaking respect for kudos.
    No one's asking for that shit.
    It's not fucking "everyone gets a trophy" day.
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  10. Ebeneezer Goode

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    That is not what it discusses at all, I suggest actually reading the article as it ties into the comment I responded to:

    The article in question answers that in, yes, that does happen, with two of those it happened to being women, and one a gay man - the one who actually initiated celebrating diversity in the knitting community.

    In short cancel culture is bullying disguised as morality. Just as the likes of Joe Rogan take "asking questions" to try and use a shield for pushing their own biases. You have something entirely reasonable acting as the foundation of something unreasonable, and the original reasonable aspect used as a defence, which generally has the toxic effect of damaging the reasonable underpinnings.

    No I don't, I think it's a reasonable request.
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  11. Summerteeth

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    I understand cancel culture as dogpiling based on moral zeitgeist with little regard for the intent of (or lack of) malice from the offending party. Could be wrong tho, I often am.
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  12. Uncle Albert

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    Yes. Basic, common courtesy is all strangers have any business asking of each other. Anything beyond that must be earned, and the fact that someone has not earned it doesn't mean they are being actively disrespected. No more than not being loved means actively being hated. What you're advancing there is an insecure child's mentality.
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  13. Jenee

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    Tomayto-Tomahto

    The point is, unless provoked, you behave like a decent human being toward strangers.

    That's it. That's the whole thing. No one is asking for anything more.
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  14. Lanzman

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    This. Exactly this. Respect is an active process that requires more than a demand for it. You must show that you can conduct yourself in a rational, responsible manner and that you yourself demonstrate some level of non-asshole-ish behavior in order to earn respect. Otherwise, as a default, you get courtesy until you prove you deserve either respect or scorn.
    And as a rule, most of humanity deserves scorn.
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    Define what you mean by respect. There are multiple definitions.

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  16. Diacanu

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    UA/Lanz-
    What Jenee and Anc said.
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    Basic manners. Please, thank you, excuse me, sir and ma'am. That is all strangers should expect from each other. And most people can't even manage THAT. Instead, what you get are belligerent, semi-literate fuckwads yelling past each other while operating on a personal "definition" of respect that's basically "Never say anything I don't approve of, never confront me with anything that doesn't unconditionally align 100% with any position I decide is too super cereal important to entertain the faintest whiff of dissent or noncompliance. Indulge my petulant self-importance or you are my enemy."
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  18. Diacanu

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    Lanz & UA haven't made new arguments so much as re-framed their original one with a thesaurus.
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  19. Jenee

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    Oh, I think of the two of us, we both know which one is more likely to be a rude-ass fuckwad in the grocery line - and, yes, it's me.

    But, that's the point. You are not that person. So, why defend that behavior? There's nothing wrong with political correctness. The problem is people bitching about political correctness.
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    Nope, you are a bigoted asshole. It is not subjective, it is a completely objective and true statement.

    Quit lying to yourself. You are a horrible person who should be ashamed for being you. Shit actually can be used to help plants grow, but you are just a waste of protein.
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  21. Uncle Albert

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    I disagree. PC thought police are pure fucking cancer.
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    Telepathy doesn't exist.

    If folk know what you're thinking, it's because you've got a tell.
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  23. Uncle Albert

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    :jayzus: I express a thought, it's still a thought.
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    There's a difference between voicing your opinion and being an ass in a public place verbally attacking people you've never met.

    Take that Twisted Tea incident. The redneck could have all the racist thoughts and opinions he wants and no one cares. But, when he expresses those opinions in a public place, he has to be prepared for someone with differing opinions to react.

    That's not thought police. That's life.
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    @Uncle Albert hasn't been around in a while so maybe might not know that you shouldn't take @Tererun seriously at all, especially when he calls you out for being a bigot and a racist considering that he's one of the biggest racists here, and there's receipts literally everywhere...

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    I think about fucking quite a few women I know.

    If I verbalize that thought, I'm likely dead. But even if not, I'm likely looking at a workplace harassment investigation.

    Some thoughts should be kept up top.
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  28. Uncle Albert

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    That's just giving screechy hypersensitive cause-heads permission to redefine the concept of a verbal attack.

    No. You do not get to attack people for saying things you don't like. If you do, you are in the wrong.
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    An opinion I happen to agree with, but we will differ if you try to enforce it.
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    Racist assholes are used to saying their shit out in the open, and now that the people they target are openly fighting back, I think it scares them. What they want isn't free speech, but speech free from all consequences, regardless of content.
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