candle light vigil for Tex

Like I said, haven't heard enough to form an opinion.

I'm all about Eccentric Soul and plunderphonics these days. And Cluster. I'm all over the place.

How 'bout Death metal? Screamo?

Congratulations on resisting the urge to include references to Fried chicken & watermelon.

Oh, that was a total Hail Mary pass on my part. Nice catch, though.

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See, that's music. There's someone playing a musical instrument.

Think about rap for a second. It's somebody talking to the accompaniment of music made by other people.

You know what that makes rappers? Not musicians. Actors. Rap isn't music -- it's theater.

So in the interests of equal opportunity, you'd dismiss jug bands, anyone who plays percussion on anything other than a drum set, and

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So we won't even ask you what you think poetry is. (Note: no adjectives. I'm not saying "good poetry" or "bad poetry," just "poetry" as a concept.)

That last bit shows insight. You're suggesting a continuum of performance from music to theater with, we can assume, rap falling closer to music than, say, lip sync, but still not fitting neatly into the box labeled "music."

The absence of neat little boxes does make some people uneasy.

Nope. Those people are using objects as... can you guess what comes next? Improvised musical instruments. The difference between that and rap is still that someone is, themselves, producing music -- not just "sampling" other peoples'.

Unless you're trying to argue that poetry is music all by itself, that's a shiny red herring you've got yourself there.

FTFY

Those people being humans. The human brain categorizes. This "don't label it" bullshit is the province of those who know that what they're peddling is weak-sauce bullshit.

So you're limiting your judgment to the music, not the words. Okay, in that respect I concur. I find it annoying when someone does a cover of a classic rock song knowing that subsequent generations won't recognize it and will think the new "artist" wrote it instead of cribbing it from Otis Redding, et al.

Then again, the lyrics for "A Whiter Shade of Pale" may be original, but the music was a direct lift from Bach.

No, poetry is the spoken word, often constructed into a rhyme scheme, sometimes set to music. To the Greeks and the medieval jongleur, it needed music. To Allen Ginsburg, it just needed to be shouted in a public place. Was it spoken a capella for more centuries than it was set to music? Probably not. But to 20th/21st century man, poetry is poetry and song lyrics are...well, something else. He's not quite sure what, but...

Again, no judgement on the quality of the poetry. In the strictest sense, Green Eggs and Ham is poetry...an amusing, if repetitive, bit of doggerel.

The lyrics to "Unchained Melody" are also poetry.

See where I'm going here? Modern man does not buy volumes of poetry unless he's an English major and needs them for a course. Modern man by and large does not congregate in coffee houses to hear original poetry. Modern man buys - or pirates - music in any of several genres that has lyrics, and doesn't realize it's poetry. That's why poets starve and rappers and rockers make money.

So you've appointed yourself arbiter of what is or isn't music. That and a token...

Creative people, smart people, however, know that the boxes are artificial and allow for some overlap. The people who can't live without the boxes are the ones you'll end up story-pitching to who tell you "I don't know what I'm looking for, but I'll know it when I see it, and this isn't it...next!"

Creative people, smart people, however, know that the boxes are artificial and allow for some overlap.[/quote]

Seriously? You're going to argue that a natural and even necessary function of human cognition is "artificial"? Who fucking invented it, DuPont? Jesus Christ, I think that may have been the dumbest goddamn thing you've ever posted.

And that's why people who mean to make a living being creative acknowledge the goddamn boxes and keep them in mind. You can think outside the box all you want -- and your rather insane claim above aside, you just did as good as admit that almost everyone thinks in those "little boxes", and the creative who refuses to do the same might as well just not bother going to market.

I will!!

*Opens John Castles mouth, and shoves a screwdriver in the roof of his mouth like Dr. Soong rebooting Data*

One of these...*twist on right side* and one of these...*twist on left side*..*John Castle shuts down*

And there, *pops out John Castle's cartridge*

*Replaces it with Duck Hunt*

There, that should be better...

You forgot the backup "Attack Otters Of The Ass" failsafe.

*watches Dickynoo* get swarmed by attack otters. Of the ass.*

Tex is gonna love this thread.

I assume that what garamet means is that the way the boxes are defined are artificial and that the subject matter can be divided up in any number of ways.

Like all the different "forms" of rock or metal. One could ignore the subtleties between, say, classic rock, acid rock, and whatever else and just ask whether a guitar is involved. I, for one, have no idea what the differences in terminologies represent and I suspect I wouldn't care if I found out.

This is all bullshit.

Is classical music not music b/c most songs don't have singing?

Or is Jimi Hendrix's stuff not music b/c it was produced electronically?


Rap may be bad music, you could make that argument, but you can't argue that isn't music at all.

Meh. Ninety percent of everything is crap. Rap "music" is no exception.

Wow, this shit is still going?!







...great meme you started with that one, Muad.

You can thank a lazy recording industry for that.

That would make it instrumental music. As in: music produced only with instruments.

Hendrix's music is music because Hendrix actually played his own guitar. He didn't sit behind a microphone talking at auctioneer speeds while somebody else played back other peoples' music.

Sure I can. And I have been.

Since the human brain defines the "boxes" without relying on machinery, I'm pretty sure the way the "boxes" are defined is natural. Let me put it this way: Anything which occurs in Nature is natural. Therefore, nothing is artificial.

You people voted for Hubert Humphrey.....and you killed jesus.

I didn't kill Jesus. I may have pointed and laughed, though.

So anyway, about Tex...

What about him?

He died or something? Hospital? Raped?

Of the ass?

Yes, that's right. Rap music.

FTFY

I like your new av, Faceman. Reminds me of the pic I posted a long while back, remember the broad with huge knockers and shark nostrils?

I disable avs as I find them distasteful.