Comey sacked

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  1. Ebeneezer Goode

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    You're kidding me right? That would've reeked even more of a cover up, with Trump bringing in someone who'd not even touch any investigation into Russia.

    He should have sat on it a good year or so, then booted him, mainly as it would've given Trump ample time to do a raft of stupidity that the whole Russia thing would feel like last century.
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    :lol:

    Trump declares he does not need a special investigator to look into his shady acts then launches into a diatrabe against Sally Yates... Which only reenforces the image that he fired Comey for daring to investigate Trump's shady acts.

    This guy is not very smart.
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    Both. But fortunately the correct one is your President.
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  4. Nova

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    Here's an interesting thesis I stole off twitter:


    David Robertsā€¸Verified account@drvox 1h1 hour ago

    1. I want to riff on the point I made here, which I still think is central to our current political...uh, situation.
    2. "Theory of mind" (ToM) is a concept in psychology. To have a ToM is to interpret the behavior of others as reflecting inner states.
    3. It is to interpret behavior as issuing from, and evidence of, desires, beliefs, intentions, fears, etc.
    4. Humans typically develop ToM early, around 2-3. There are raging debates about whether various animals have ToM, or if so what kind.
    5. People on the autism spectrum have difficulty w/ ToM -- difficulty connecting behaviors to mental states, difficulty "reading" behavior.
    6. Autism-spectrum presents one kind of ToM problem: a rich text to be read, but a reader with difficulty reading.
    7. There is, however, another (I suspect) more rare ToM problem, namely: sophisticated readers over-interpreting a text.
    8. Typical adults are drawn almost irresistibly to see behaviors as indicators of complex mental states - persistent beliefs, desires, etc.
    9. Here's the thing: Trump, by all indications, does not have beliefs, intentions, etc. that are stable, persistent across contexts.
    10. He is attuned to who is dominating & who is submissive *in the situation he finds himself in*. It is 100% situational, 0% persistent.
    11. He seeks domination. That's all. He does not care about, or even seem cognizant of, lying, reversing himself, switching loyalties, etc.
    12. He's like a goldfish. No beliefs, intentions, plans, or schemes are carried from place to place. Every situation is new.
    13. There is, in a very real sense, no "mind" as such, only a set of animal impulses -- seek approbation, avoid blame, dominate, win.
    14. Here's the problem: healthy adults are simply *not accustomed to dealing w/ someone like that*. It is a rare pathology ...
    15. ... and even rarer for someone to be so protected by money/power/family that they can succeed in life despite the pathology.
    16. To find someone with that pathology in a central position of power in the US is simply unprecedented. Utterly novel.
    17. Normal people with normal ToM (including journalists) find it almost impossible to resist over-interpreting Trump's behavior ...
    18. ... to see it as reflective of stable, persistent beliefs, intentions, and plans. They read "mind" into his behavior. Can't help it.
    19. And this describes the vast bulk of journalism & analysis on Trump: a desperate attempt to figure out what kind of "mind" ...
    20. ... could possibly result in this bizarre set of statements & actions. Is there some long con? Is he distracting us? Secretly a genius?
    21. Firing Comey in the middle of the Russia investigation, for example, seems nigh inexplicable. Where's the "mind," the deeper rationale?
    22. Does this show he "actually" wants to become a dictator? That he "actually" has inside info on what Comey knew/intended?
    23. That he's "actually" distracting attention from the Census thing (or all the other things)? "Actually" angling for revenge on Clinton?
    24. All of these are (perfectly understandable) attempts to apply ToM. It's what we do, instinctively, *especially* in political analysis.
    25. The mistake is not any particular one of these theories. The mistake is *applying conventional ToM at all*.
    26. As I argued in the piece (linked way back in tweet 1), Trump is, by all indications, just a bundle of impulses. Nothing more.
    27. Most likely explanation re: Russia is not some deep, secret plot, but ... DT saying yes to something that felt good in the moment ...
    28. ... and then immediately forgetting about it, connecting it to nothing else. Thus the confusion why everyone keeps bringing it up.
    29. Most likely explanation re: Comey is not some Machiavellian tactic, but ... he kept seeing Comey on TV saying not-awesome things
    30. ... and that gave him bad feels, made him feel non-dominant. So he made Comey get off his TV. No "mind," just stimulus-response.
    31. Accepting this fact -- that ToM is useless, that Trump really is nothing more than amygdala -- is *absolutely terrifying*.
    32. It is more terrifying than any particular ToM as applied to Trump. Stable desires & intentions, even if evil, at least *make sense*.
    33. A Trump ToM gives us the comfort of knowing that at least someone's in charge, someone has a handle on things, even if malign.
    34. The idea that Trump is simply doing what produces good feels in a particular situation, that he is utterly unconstrained by ...
    35. ... consistency, by past commitments or statements, by laws or norms, by *anything* -- that's there's no "mind" as such -- is chilling.
    36. What if he finds himself in a position where North Korea is giving him bad feels? Will he be able to assess a response in light of ...
    37. ... past commitments, expectations, strategy, norms, or decency? Probably not! He will seek a feeling of dominance *in the moment*.
    38. A mindless Trump, acting purely on impulse, is far more dangerous than an evil Trump, acting on grand, secret schemes.
    39. As difficult as it is, journalists, analysts, & other political actors need to internalize this. Evil can be predicted, bargained w/ ...
    40. ... but there's no predicting or reasoning w/ pure animal impulse. ToM is useless. Only containment or removal will work. </fin>
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  5. Nova

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    oh please, if you know for certain you are completely innocent and have nothing to hide, then you leave him alone and advocate for a robust, through, no-stone-untured investigation knowing the leverage you will have when you are exonerated.
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    Donald J. Trump and the almost unanimous percentage of his loyalist supporters.
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    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    I've seen it reported that the AG appoints special prosecutors so I'm not sure exactly what Congress can set up other than a non-binding vote, but hopefully what I saw was inaccurate.
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    People, including Republicans, are now talking about obstruction of justice.
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    No, you do the right thing knowing that no matter who investigates you there is nothing to find. And I wasn't a Trump supporter either.
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    A lot fewer than before, believe me.
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  11. Nova

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    falling into the same trap as Zombie.
    AGAIN:
    it is ENTIRELY possible for a "leftist" (I love how Z tries to make the distinction between "liberal" and "leftist" as if "right wing" and "conservative" have not been used interchangeably for years, just like "left wing" and "liberal"...but I digress) to cheer that a man who significantly contributed to the election being fucked up got shitcanned AND at the same time question why a president who both benefited from and cheered those stunts choose now to come completely out of left field with a slap-dash poorly executed firing.
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    Just curious. What do you consider the difference between "Left" and "Liberal"?
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    That's such #fakenews. :jayzus:

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    Clinton's AG sure didn't appoint Ken Star.
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    Having Kissenger in the White House when everyone is comparing Trump to Nixon was not the best idea when it comes to optics.
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    Because the racist bigots LIKE that about him.

    Still, there's a VERY thin margin of minds that need to be changed so it's not like you need something earth-shaking
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  17. Nova

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    I thought that statue under which he was appointed had expired though? More research is necessary...
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    or any of the very great many Comey loyalists still at the FBI....
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  21. Nova

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    I'm jonesing to see Yates be the Special Investigator (unrealistic as fuck but would be fascinating)
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    the "right thing" would have been to call bullshit on him in 2016
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    just the folks pissed about O'Reilly, and they are probably just CLAIMING they quit because where else are the gonna get their fix of bullshit? There's no Brietbart TV (yet)
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    The law was different back then wasn't it?
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    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/10/comey-firing-special-prosecutor-republicans-238232?lo=ap_b3

    Poor Trumpie. About a dozen GOP members of Congress came out today saying they would support a special prosecutor in the right circumstances. Is the dam breaking? Stay tuned because once it is obvious which side will win on this one all the rats will abandon ship fast.

    Trump and McConnell can keep trying to hand wave this away but I give it a 3/4ths chance of happening now. Trump's best bet might be to agree but get his own pet to do the investigation. He has no one to blame for this but himself. He is proving just as incompetent as I said he would be and I am betting many Republican insiders are thinking a President Pence might be better for them.
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    Donald Trump made Mitch McConnell's wife a cabinet secretary. Don't see him flipping any time soon.
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    Indeed. I've always felt as if Comey operated under a principle of "If I punch the Democrats, I have to punch the Republicans too."
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    Man would I love to see McConnell go down with the ship...
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