Do You Ever Expect the intensity of anti Trump rhetoric to escalate to violence?

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  1. Dayton Kitchens

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    Well yes, Americans have always had a mix of idealism and practicality in their foreign policy.

    They like to feel they are doing the right thing.

    But they want to feel like they will make money by doing the right thing.

    My parents had the exact same duality in their dealings with the world.
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  2. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    And they were stupid, and did you no favors.
    Yeah, someone had to say it that bluntly.
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  3. Dayton Kitchens

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    Why is it stupid to hope to make money while doing the right thing?
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  4. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Sometimes those things are in conflict.
    Hell, many times they are.
    Making profit motive a prime directive in your life like a robot blinds you to nuance.
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  5. Nova

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    close.
    They like to FEEL LIKE they are doing the right thing
    but
    Push come to shove, they WILL choose to make money right thing be damned.

    It's kind of ironic though, that the folks who have appointed themselves the judge of what's better in terms of leadership for other nations for 130 years now can't even get the answer to that question right here at home.
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  6. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    A. source problem
    B. "Sanctuary" is literally never FOR non-immigration related crimes. The whole purpose is to gain community trust in order to pursue that kind of crime prevention.
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  7. Spaceturkey

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    FTFY

    Fuck... NM... Rick beat me to it by 11 hours.

    Still, Dayton is a moron.
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  8. Dinner

    Dinner 2012 & 2014 Master Prognosticator

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    No. It let's criminal illegal aliens who commit nonimmigration offenses who get to go back into communities and neighborhoods in order to commit more crimes. Yes, I know the excuse is they want to gain the trust of illegals but that does not work. We should not be letting known illegal alien criminals roam our streets.

    Yet that is what Dems are pushing and, yes, that will harm them in a lot of swing districts they would otherwise win.
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    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3099992

    The feds have intentionally not funded studies on illegal alien crime rates probably because they know the results would be politically bad for them. The best study we have in Arizona showed illegal aliens are 142% more likely than native born to commit a crime and end up in jail. Those are the people many Dems want to give "sanctuary" to and who want released back into our neighborhoods. Fuck that.

    https://townhall.com/columnists/sco...as-feds-release-immigrant-crime-data-n2426219

    Legal immigrants do have much lower crime rates not least of all because any run ins with the law can be used to prevent naturalization. These are good people we want but the illegals commit 142% higher crime rates than native born so we should be ditching these illegal alien criminals not coddling them.

    Lying illegal alien activists know this is true and that is why they intentionally attempt to deceive people by using the word "immigrant" trying to conflate law abidong legal immigrants with high crime prone illegal aliens.
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    I love how actual law enforcement who work the streets say "this helps" and internet experts with no experience or involvement say "Does not!!!" and think their claim is equally as credible.

    Actually, now that i think of it, almost every point of contention on line can be found to include at least two major groups - those in a postion to know saying "X" and those with no experience, study, or connection to that knowledge saying "Not-X!"
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  11. Dinner

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    All you have are political hack politicians making up excuses for the inexcusable. For every piece of shit elected sheriff in a town over run by illegals lying and making excuses... You will find many police who day the exact opposite. You know it, I know it, and the difference is you are too dishonest to admit it.
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  12. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    John Lott? You just cited a study by John "More Guns = Less Crime" Lott?

    The CATO institute isn't exactly what I would call liberal. :wtf:
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  13. Fisherman's Worf

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    All credible studies have shown that immigrants commit crimes at a much lower rate than natural born citizens.
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  14. Dinner

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    As a general rule police officers and police unions do not support sanctuary city laws as they see how damaging they are. Police chiefs who report to elected politicians... Not surprisingly they espose the views of their bosses. But stop lying and pretending law enforcement professionals support this because broadly they do not. It is mainly the political operators who do.
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    Please read link above and stop repeating lies. Legal immigrants do indeed have lower crime rates especially green card holders who can lose their legal status and be blocked from citizenship if they do commit a crime. Illegal aliens though, the group you dishonestly try to conflate with all immigrants, commit crimes at 142% the rate of native born.

    Now do you understand why illegal alien enablers deliberately lie and attempt to conflate all immigrants but attempt to hide the rampant criminality of illegal aliens? Anyone who speaks of all immigrants when the question is illegal aliens should be immediately ignored and laughed at because they are deliberately lying and attempting to confuse gullible low information people. You will notice these shame shysters/"advocates" are the same ones who try to block data collection on illegal alien crime at the Federal level with anonymous riders inserted into unrelated bills.

    It is wrong when Republicans block data collection on gun violence stats and it is wrong when Democrats block the collection of data on illegal alien criminals.
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  16. matthunter

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  17. Fisherman's Worf

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    There are a plethora of studies and papers that show the crime rates of immigrants, whether documented or undocumented, is far below that of native-born citizens. I have pointed this out to you several times in the past. Even your own source states: "...illegal immigrants were '44 percent less likely to be incarcerated than native-born Americans' in 2014. "

    As a refresher, read these excerpts:

    Two charts demolish the notion that immigrants here illegally commit more crime
    The Myth of the Criminal Immigrant

    Is Illegal Immigration Linked to More or Less Crime?


    Immigration and Crime


    Face facts: Immigrants commit fewer crimes than U.S.-born peers

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  18. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/is-illegal-immigration-linked-to-more-or-less-crime/

    This addresses the conflicting statistics.

    Edit: @Chad beat me to it.
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  19. Dinner

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    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3099992

    It is a fact. Thus why Dems worked with groups like CATO to make it virtually impossible to studies this at the Federal level. We are then forced to look at state level studies. Republicans routinely do this type of blocking the collection of data on topics like gun violence and climate change but Dems do it to hide illegal alien crime rates.

    In all cases it is safe to assume the people hiding data and preventing studies from being carried know their side is on the losing side. Thus their desire to hide the data and prevent studies. Don't reward those types of games and just do the logical thing and understand the side hiding data is the dishonest party. Thus why they are hiding things.
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  20. El Chup

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    Says the guy who dishonestly equated legal immigrants with illegal entrants just a month or so ago. :lol:
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    El Chup Fuck Trump Deceased Member Git

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    Reminds of how in the US you are at far greater risk of dying of a terror attack at the hands of an American than you are, say, a Muslim extremist.

    But who does @Dinner go after? The ones with the brown skin.

    I wonder why that could be? :racist:
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  22. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    The Democrats worked with the CATO? The Libertarian think tank founded by Charles Koch? That CATO?
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    Yep, politics makes for strange bedfellows. They both want open borders. CATO also wants to make sure employers never face punishment for hiring illegals. They are nothing but a big business front group with flimsy ideological justifications.

    All these lobbyist groups will flop from bed to bed on order to achieve a goal.
  24. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

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    Your're citing a study that has been widely debunked by both the left and the right, authored by a man notorious for fudging numbers based on ideological reasons. :facepalm:
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  25. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    Okay, but John Lott's research is now to be trusted? Because I seriously doubt you would agree with his research if we were talking about gun crime.
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