Gun Deaths Now the Third Leading Cause of Death in American Children

Yeah, the pull out method.

Huh? Are you telling me that the US does allow minors to die in a combat zone? If so, please give me names of any member not 18 years of age on the "skid list". I've never seen one.

is this a big problem? I've never met a military member who was a foster kid.

I don't know how vocal you are about politics in your personal life, but I'd be hard pressed to tell someone something so personal if I thought judgements would be forthcoming.

And, yes, I met a few, but, I don't know how widespread it is.

Also, I wouldn't consider it a "problem".

Society ought to work on that.

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Official: "We need to prevent incompetent people from driving to reduce traffic deaths and injuries! You, prospective driver, how should you operate your vehicle?"

Driver: "By observing traffic laws and driving attentively and defensively."

Official: "I deem you competent! Go forth and drive!"

*driver has spine-crushing multiple fatality accident due to reckless driving*

Official: "But...but...I deemed you competent! What more can I do then tell you the rules and test you to see that you know them?"

Why do insurance companies give discounts for kids taking driver's-ed classes?

Member as in member of the military? Because that is not what you said.

I could not agree more.

*sigh* This thread, in case you and @Sean the Puritan failed to notice, is about guns. Not cars, not abortions.

I realize you have very little ground to stand on - other than OMG the 2nd amendment!!!!, please, stick to the topic.

Use your words and explain to us what would make you even think about maybe the possibility might exist that you may someday be prepared to negotiate some sort of plausible gun control?

I think he was talking to Dayton.

"that's complete bullshit" is usually a clue that something is directed at him.

That's a driving test in your state???
See, we have to demonstrate some degree of proficiency after a minimum 1 year "learning" period (G1), and then (I believe) a 5 year probationary period with a few restrictions (G2) before being allowed full driving privileges (G); which then qualifies you to apply for specialized licensing-multi passenger, bus, dump truck, transport truck, etc...

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You do know that a man can impregnate a woman without actually ejaculating inside her don't you?

I really wanna hear how this works without some conscious intent.

It might be difficult to explain to someone who has never had sex.

And the point goes sailing right over your head...

Even if all I had was "OMG the 2nd amendment!!!!" that would be enough.

In the sense you mean it? Never going to happen.

Here's what you have to acknowledge before I discuss any "gun control" with you:

1. That I have the guaranteed Constitutional right to keep, buy, possess, transfer, sell, gift, carry, travel with, practice with, maintain, inherit, and bequeath guns, ammunition, and related materials.

2. That this right includes the right of self-defense using a gun.

3. That I have a right to carry a gun on my person for my own defense.

4. That my right pertains to weapons and ammunition suitable for self-defense and, if necessary, militia service.

5. That my ability to acquire firearms and ammunition is not subject to arbitrary limitations.

6. That my right cannot be delayed or discouraged by fees, waiting periods, red tape, etc.

7. That the state has no authority to maintain a database of my property.

8. That restrictions on my freedom are acceptable only if I've demonstrated violent or very serious criminality, mental instability, or profound abuse of hallucinogenic substances.

9. That any state-mandated tests or checks when acquiring firearms must be performed immediately or waived, and the cost must be borne entirely by the state. All safety tests must be vetted and approved by nationally recognized gun rights groups.

10. That firearms and ammunition are not subject to taxation apart from prevailing sales taxes.

11. That storage laws do not burden poorer persons nor preclude the use of a gun for immediate self-defense.

12. That gun safety standards shall be uniform in all 50 states and that uncommon features or unreasonable safety requirements cannot be mandated.

If you accept these, we can talk. If you don't, then clearly you intend to remove liberties I alteady have.

Universal background check?

Okay with it under the following conditions:

1. State retains no record other than a transaction for a gun with a particular serial number. Want buyer info? Have to track down 4473. No backdoor gun registry.

2. No cost to buyer or seller. "Society" wants this, not the parties to the transaction.

3. The process is instant (or, say, within 60 minutes).

4. This check is the state's opportunity to STOP the transaction, it is not an approval for the transaction. State doesn't respond? Transaction happens. No bureaucratic foot-dragging.

5. Unscheduled downtimes of the system are not permissible. If the system goes down, the state waives its opportunity to intervene. No shutting off the flow of guns by turning the system off.

6. A clear path for resolving improperly declined transactions is established.

Agreeable?

Yep. I would also add exemptions for gifting/bequething to family members.

That, along with the NTC should take a gun registration off the table for good.

Good. (And I concur on family members.)

See, background checks...solved.

Yeah... so you're making shit up again...
qu'elle surprise

maybe not a "problem" by any means but raising the minimum age to 21 wouldn't mess up too many foster kids if few join the military. Not saying foster kids have a lot of military disqualifiers but if getting into trouble, mental health issues, and educational issues affect more than is typical among the non-foster kids, then that could be a reason. Again, I've never known many military members who were foster kids.

For one thing waiting until 21 would mean cutting off a few years of their physical and mental best years. Join at 21, retire at 41 your last years are pretty rough going depending on your type of job. Something to consider if you want to keep people for a full 20 years or more.

So either concede to your opinion or the conversation is over?
Yeah... your credibility just took a critical hit :/

1-In principle, yes. Conditions apply to transfer/sale/gift.

2-Yes, on your property or home

3-If job related, yes. If not, no.

4-What you have in your home or secured in your trunk en route to a range is none of my affair. Outside of invasion or insurrection, your carrying rights end at the door.

5-Arbitrary is weaselling out. What you'd call arbitrary, others would call a reasonable limit. Condition is disqualified due to subjectivity

6-Within reason-i.e.; comparable to an automobile purchase/licensing

7-Conditionally disagree. Insurability (both liability and property) requires registration. For possible militia service, an accurate local inventory is necessary.

8-More weaseling with the drama, but essentially, sure. I'd only add gradated qualifications by type.

9-Basic safety taught in schools for the ability to buy a small capacity, low cal. rifle? Sure. Other categories you can pay for training yourself... just like driver's ed.

10-presuming you mean something like liquor or cigarettes, I'll tentatively agree

11-sure, but in turn you're fully liable for anything that happens with your unsecured gun, including if it's stolen.

12-disqualified on the same basis as 5. You'll call any and all limitations uncommon and unreasonable.


You used to be better at this.

A kid joining at 18 would retire at 38...well, forty now, thanks to a new Navy instruction.

Three years on the tail end mean less than the three in the front (where brains are still maturing and developing). Regardless of the time spent, the military will age you if you make it past tech school.

Jenee brought up foster kids specifically because there are far too many shit fosters who ditch the kid the day they turn 18 and they don't get any money for them anymore. So i imagine the few who didn't get into trouble at least consider the military since they have three hots and a cot and money for college afterwards. As shit as it would be tbat they wpuldnt have an outlet, the number of kids getting booted over u derage drinking far exceed that...and do we really want someone that has no legal outlet to cope with the stress of this job in the fleet? Is that fair to them?

sounds good HOWEVER it depends on what the stipulations of the "universal" check are. If the rules are reasonable and fair, no problem. But if they are super restrictive (90 percent input from anti-gun people) then maybe not so much.

Universal as in any time there is a transfer of ownership from one person to another. Exemptions for family members.

If you can come up with a way of predicting that a prospective gun owner is going to be irresponsible with it I'd love to see it. Otherwise, what's your solution?

Idiot.

http://funmiakingbade.com/pregnancy-without-ejaculation-reality-or-myth/

maybe you should try reading your own source

ANd seriously... the rather impotent jab?
I've probably had sex with more people involved at one time than you've had partners in your entire life.

Idiot.

the same way you can predict who will end up running someone over when they get their driver's license - or who will beat their kids to death when they buy a bottle of booze I guess.