Discussion in 'Media Central' started by phantomofthenet, Jan 30, 2007.
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The kid from Firestarter was Drew Barrymore
At least this show is actually moving along more than Lost.
I'm wondering id Hiro is just having some self doubt like Spidey. His power was fine until he started thinking he needed the sword to focus it.
And where in the hell are he and Ando getting money?
Talking about the character, Forbin, not the actress.
Oh, I see.
Yes, Heroes has been showing new episodes for the last few months, while Lost has been on hiatus for 3 months.
Interesting coincidence . . .
Actually, no. Heroes just ran their first new episode since November last week.
During Lost's 3 month hiatus, Heroes shows almost 2 months worth of episodes. Also, by the time Lost finally airs again next week, Heroes will have aired more than twice as many episodes this season. No wonder it's moving faster.
Heroes "Fallout" First Aired: Monday December 4, 2006
Lost "I Do" First Aired: Wednesday November 8, 2006
Which is not "for the LAST few months"
In any case, the lost schedule is specifically BECAUSE Lost fans were unhappy with so many repats.
I don't hear anyone bitching that 24 didn't run their FIRST new episode until January.
There are good reasons to bash Lost's failure to move the plot....but nitpicking scheduling decisions hardly adresses that failing.
I wasn't bashing Lost. I was pointing out to Forbin why Heroes was moving along more than Lost. It's had more than twice as many episodes this season.
I personally like the no-repeats scheduling of Lost and 24, especially since they're a lot more serialized than the write-by-numbers shows such as CSI and Law & Order.
And with purpose too. Heroes seems to do everything right that Lost falters at.
I was wondering if it was because we're getting close to October 2nd though self-doubt seems to fit his character arc much better.
They seemed to make a lot of money in Vegas (I have no idea how much they managed to hold onto). And Hiro's family definitely seems to have some money.
I think it's probably largely self-doubt too. Once he thought he had THE sword rather than a replica, it seemed like for a brief second he was his old self. But then once he found out it was a replica, the wind kind of went out of him.
But then again, his power was working in the past until suddenly it wasn't and he got snapped back to the present in Japan. So there may be some other intrinsic limits to his power that he doesn't know about.
Which is good, really. Otherwise, he could just have infinite do-overs.
Like Ryan said, Hiro had used his power to shark gamblers in Vegas out of a lot of cash in a previous episode. He did it sloppily one time, and that earned him a beatdown from one set of high rollers. But then they decided to use him to sucker other high rollers. Then Jessica came and killed everyone in there except for Hiro and Ando. For all we know, they took money that the dead high rollers had too.
The only story in Heroes that I'm starting to become bored with is the Nikki/Mika/black dude subplot.
Even on a per-episode basis, Lost moves along far more slowly than Heroes.
In large part, that's by design since each episode has flashbacks that do not move the plot along at all but ideally move our understanding of a particular character along.
But it is also at least partially due to the way the Lost writers deliberately do things like fixate on the Jack-Kate-Sawyer triangle and decide to create new mysteries while abandoning or ignoring old ones. Not a bash of Lost, which I still enjoy, but merely an observation.
The first season of Lost moved along nearly at the same speed as Heroes. The flashbacks, in my opinion, contribute to the show "moving along" just as much as the main island plot. The show is not just about the mystery surrounding the island. It's also about the people on the island, their backgrounds, and they came to be on the island. Season 1 of Lost did very well with this.
It should also be noted that Lost was intended be a mini-series (I forget if this was ever brought up here). So the 4 or 5 seasons were really meant to be 1 season, and they had to add a lot off stuff on. ABC enjoys money, after all.
But yes, Heroes is a refreshing change of pace from the slow second season of Lost. Season 2 only covered 27 days, whereas season 1 covered 45 (although season 2 did have a lot of big revelations). Each episode of season 3 so far has been about 1 day island time.
It does really seem to spend a lot of time going nowhere. Hopefully the acknowledgment of Mika's power and the introduction of the psychiatrist will change that.
I do have to hand it to Christopher Eccleston. He did a great job. I didn't even realize it was him until the pigeon scene.
EXCELLENT! If you blinked you missed the Trek gag. Hiro's father, played by George Takei, gets into his limo to leave at the end of the episode, and guess what the license plate number is.
Reasonably subtle, but necessary, Trek gag!
Gotta rerun the VHS and check it out - no wait, the damned thing flipped over to CSI Miami. DAMN!
could you PM me the gag?
I didn't see the license plate either...
Peter is officially the most powerful hero of all time. He's everything Sylar ever wished he could be, and he does it without even trying.
I, too, saw the Star Trek nod. Burst out laughing!
Might have been better if they had given Sulu - er - George a scar on his face......
The tag number was...
Good, good stuff happening on this show.
I couldn't believe the blatant un-subtle Star Trek reference. It was great!
There was also a subtle Doctor Who reference. Anyone pick it up?
If I had it was probably blown away when I saw a very stern, mirror-image acting Takei standing in the door glaring at poor Hiro.
And he never said a word!
Anyway, the Doctor Who reference was very subtle.
After Peter was chucked off the roof onto the car, he said to Christopher Eccleston (a former Doctor Who) "If I hadn't regenerated I would be dead" or words to that effect.
Okay - how did I miss Chris? Is he the guy under all that facial hair?
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