Holy Crap! Have you seen the price of guns lately?

I was at the range today, and happened to look at the price tag of a 9mm Sig p226. It was over a grand!

When people horde things in large volume for no good reason, prices go up. See also gold and Las Vegas real estate. Of course eventually the crash comes.

Gun show this weekend. Debating if I should go or not. I've only got one mag for the M4. Was at one a couple weeks ago and a booth had Magpul ones for $13. I didn't know if that was a good deal or not and I was on a budget that weekend so I didn't pick any up. Now a friend tells me I'll be lucky to find them for $25--if I can find them at all.

Yeah, I know why. I just didn't realize how much. I just checked at Gander Mountain, and their p229's are $999.00. I bought mine back around 2000 for a little over $600.00.

Can't relate at this time. I'm going to buy a Samick Sage take-down recurve.
You can get different draw-weight limbs too! A lot less hassle buying and registering bows.

Of course I'm screwed in the self-defense arena, but I would not want to be the one intruder/robber who does tempt fate! That would be one painful way to die for them.

On Friday I briefly stopped by the gun store where I do most of my business and left a business card, asking them to call me when they receive more M4s. I was in such a hurry that I didn't have time to check prices, but the one M4-type rifle they had (a .22 chambered version) was still reasonably priced.

I suspect any new guns they get will be more expensive, though.

True, but nobody takes .22 rimfire seriously (I assume that's what you mean).

Right. That's why it's still on the rack while they're completely sold out of every other AR15-platform rifle they had prior to the Connecticut shooting (I was last there just a few days before the shooting and they must have had 30+ in stock, a high number for this store).

Several years ago a buddy of mine bought some .22 MP5 knockoff as his first rifle. My question was, "Why bother?", when the only other firearms he owned were a 20 gauge shotgun and an Star .45 pistol. After I teased him for several years about his "toy assault rifle", he finally broke down and bought a Smith and Wesson M4 about a year ago.

A teevee station here covered the first gun show that was held here after the CT shooting (the following weekend, IIRC). In their story they said that cases of .223/5.56 ammo had doubled in price since the shooting, going for around $700/1000 rounds.

I had thoughts of dropping by the monthly gun show here today, but I had too much work to catch up on at the office and I figured out a long time ago that there's no such thing as a "good deal" at a gun show around here any more. You'll get the same prices there as you will at a gun store (and sometimes the local gun stores actually have better prices).

.22 rimfire in a bolt action is AWESOME for small game. Ruger makes a very accurate weapon. Open sights (iron) will still kill plenty of squirrels.

Speaking of small game, I would like to use my bow for rabbit hunting here in Georgia but there are none! At least on Fort Gordon, I've seen countless deer, but only one rabbit! I do know where some squirrels hang out though, only because I was scouting for deer and came across them.

I have my dad's old Remington .22 bolt action. Iron sights is all it's got, and it's a fun little plinking rifle. Never used it to shoot critters.

I've got my mom's(!) Remington single shot .22 bolt action. I am literally murder on rabbits with that thing. It's accurate as hell. I once zapped a running jackrabbit at about 40 yards while shooting from a moving jeep.

The extractor doesn't work so well sometimes, making follow up shots problematic, but for a 50+ year old rifle, it's in pretty decent shape otherwise.

Sheeeeeet.......my step-dad made a shot on an Abert squirrel in AZ many years ago. He rested the gun on my shoulder and took one out right square between the eyes (it must have been looking right at us) at about 40 yards, 50 feet up in a big Ponderosa pine.

He also double-lunged a deer at 35+ yards with a recurve from the ground.

Dude can shoot!

You would love my backyard. I cooked some brauts on the back deck and saw 2 deer walk into the woods. And I almost always see rabbits whenever I go out in my front or backyard. There's 4 nests that I know of, one under the front stoop, two along the side of my property where the creek is, and one by where I have my utility trailer parked.

I placed an order for some magazines a couple of weeks ago and the price wasn't really out of the ordinary (around $14 for 30-rounders). They're out of stock, though, like everybody is, and aren't expected to ship until early February.

For Christmas, I got a Bass Pro Shops gift card from my sister and since they're so outrageous on most of their merchandise, I ordered a couple of magazines from their online store. Same thing: Backordered, which I expected.

Actually, this is true even if there is a good reason. In fact, if there is a good reason, they will eventually go up much higher than if there isn't.

8,000 people attend 1st day of gun show, organizers say

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Or...bate/-/1637132/18025678/-/45x3e3/-/index.html

Here's a comment someone left on that article I just linked too:

There are some issues here that need to be recognized. The hue and cry for a
so-called "assault weapons" (sic) ban is a holler in a hurricane.

It can't happen.

Here's why.

In 1994, the D.C. v. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago decisions didn't exist.
There was no judicial barrier to passing one. Now, it is precedent that a) the
people have an individual fundamental right to keep and bear arms for lawful
purposes not dependent upon militia service, b) that holding has been
incorporated to the states, and c) Justice Scalia (in the Heller holding)
clarified what the U.S. v. Miller (1939) decision actually said.

Miller established a two-pronged test to define just what types of arms are
subject to Second Amendment protection. It held that small arms "in common
use" that "bear some reasonable relationship to the preservation
or efficiency of a well-regulated militia" enjoy constitutional
protection. Semiautomatic rifles and pistols meet both prongs of this test,
hence they are proscribed from any government ban.

The Heller decision also addressed (and dismissed) the argument that the
Framers couldn't have envisioned the capability of today's modern weapons. Just
as the Internet has supplanted moveable type, so have semi-auto firearms
supplanted muskets.

The principle involved in both of these rights is not constitutionally
affected by the evolution of the mechanisms to exercise them. Now, this may be
bad news to some, but it is pure celestial harmony to others.

And, it is the state of the law.

Miller existed in 1994, and they passed the law. They will pass what they want to pass.

Yeah. I didn't go to the show here this weekend for a couple reasons:
1) I didn't have a lot of time
2) My budget at the moment for guns is shot
3) $8 parking and $10 to get in the door. Unless I was going to buy a big ticket item like optics (see point #2) I'd be better off just going to a shop. Especially if I got in the door and mags were going for $25. I'm not going to pay almost $20 for the privilege of paying twice as much for mags as they were a couple weeks ago (when I should've bought a couple).

The guy said that our current Supreme Court clarified the Miller case from 1939 during hte Heller case. In other words SCOTUS put the brakes on what the Feds used to justify the original AWB in 94.

I for one would love to see a smack down on the administration by SCOTUS.

I don't have a lot of money either. I was hoping this would be the year I could pick up a Sig 556R or an AR-15 but with the prices going the way they are that's going to be tough.

Your best bet is to wait a few months, prices will drop, panics like this happen all the time, if it's something you absolutely cant wait for, go out, see if you can't find a stripped lower and go from there.

I'll never forget the shot Dad made with his childhood rifle. It was a single-shot .22 short rolling block that had belonged to his grandfather, and it had a home-made "youth-sized" short stock on it from when he was a kid. There was a black snake in our swimmin' hole one day. You know how snakes swim, slithering and bobbing their heads side-to-side with the sine wave of the movement? Dad aimed, timed it, and nailed the swimming snake in the head at 50 feet.

Then he told me about his grandfather. They were sitting on the back porch when Grandpa looked down in the woods and said "There's that damn cat that's been getting into the chickens!" Dad couldn't see any damn cat so he asked "where?" Grandpa picked up the same .22, aimed, fired, and said "Right there. 'bout 50 yards. Got him right between the eyes." Dad had to run down into the woods and slog thru the brush a little, but sure 'nuff, found a freshly dead cat with a hole in its forehead.

I guess city folk can't understand having that kind of thing as family background.

At this particular point, court decisions are worthless. Congress will pass whatever they want.

Lets conjecture that they pass an outright bank. Turn all your evil black rifles in at your nearest Police Station.

Sure, the NRA, et. al. will sue, but unless/until a court issues an injunction, the seizure will continue to happen. My evil black rifle will have been melted and turned into scrap for two, maybe three, years before the Supreme Court gets involved. Fat lotta good it does me to turn over the ban then.

It continues to be imperative that we stop this from passing now, before it becomes law.

^Seconded.

A court fight is Plan B.

Stopping the legislation before it gets to Obama's desk is Plan A.

And if I hear the words "let's have a discussion about gun violence" one more goddamn time, I'm going to vomit. THERE'S NOTHING TO DISCUSS if a gun ban is your agenda. THERE'S NO COMPROMISE POSSIBLE unless BOTH sides gain something from it.

Personally, I'm donating all the money I normally spend on magazines and ammo each month to the NRA/GOA.

I don't like the NRA, but it will probably lead the charge on this one. Me giving the NRA money? Ha! That's compromise!