I remember when NC was about as progressive as it got for a Deep South state.

Bad analogy.

People were making jokes about Bruce looking like a woman since the 80s.

Once again: being a pervert is illegal already. Period. A trans woman that diddlers a kid will get the book thrown at her the same as a cis male.

But given that transgender people make up three percent of the population at best, the odds of this are less than the odds of winning the lottoor for you to post anything in the realm of the truth.

If it's illegal to be a pervert, why aren't all the perverts in jail?

And transgender people make up 0.04 to 0.3 percent of the population, depending on the methodology and survey.

Capitalism! America!

The threat that probably made him buckle was that AMC producers would have Rick, Daryl, Glenn, Maggie, Carol, and Michone decamp from Georgia and form a convoy to Florida or Texas.

Creative.

I don't know, how have you kept your kiddie porn stash secret?

Don't forget Steve Harvey the funniest host of Family Feud ever, and I think he is the new Bill Cosby without all the rapey stuff. Oh, and I am pretty sure there has been a zombie walk in Atlanta long before the Walking Dead.

There are a few points here.

1. Given how corporations have caved and endorsed prejudiced firing practices foccusing on people who have come out because of pressure from the church and other bigots I think it is necessary for them to show the government they are not with the radical right wing terrorists.

2. They do have to have some say in their environment. They should not have the only say, the most powerful say, or be allowed to vote. They do business, and the laws, taxes, and trade arrangements of the state or country effect them. They should be able to express their information on what is helping or destroying them. It effects jobs, income, and the status of states.

3. There is a big difference between citizens united, and a healthy relationship between the people, government, and business.

Bullshit.

Not there burden - you make the claim, your burden to defend it.

There's clear and overwhelming evidence.

Bullshit rationalization, or abject stupidity - with you it might be either.

True, but how do you prove it in court against Joe Sixpack? Remember, the line of questioning you pursue will also be used against every transgender person.

I will just reiterate that I think of myself as a woman sometimes. The presumption of innocence is on my side. The prosecutor has to prove his case. How is he going to prove that I don't think of myself as a woman?

Oh, and how old was Bruce Jenner when that evidence came out, and where did that evidence come from? Bruce says he was transgendered from childhood, yet nobody even suspected it even when he had his own reality TV show. Not a soul on this planet thought he was really a woman. Everyone was shocked - shocked, when he said he was. Thus proving that you can't prove that a particular man isn't actually a transgendered woman. One recent one was a US Navy SEAL. Not even the people he served in combat with suspected it. There's no way a prosecutor is going to be able to prove someone is not transgendered.

And remember, the excruciating psychological evaluations and onerous burdens of proof that you say will keep straight people from faking it won't actually be applied to straight people, they'll be applied to transgendered people, and the rest of us will laugh hysterically because you brought it on yourself.

POINT 3 actually.

.3% (estimated. Likely higher but not by a whole lot)

That's the ones we can kind of identify based on some level of visibility, but the closeted ones are not going into the (supposedly) "wrong" restroom so are irrelevant.

Over 80% of all sexual assaulted are committed by predators previously known to and trusted by the victim. Which is to say, not in public places but by relatives, neighbors, babysitters, co-workers, friends, dates, ministers, teachers, etc)

Of the remainder, a large portion are in "high risk" settings* (bars, frat parties, and so forth)
*this is sort of a bullshit thing since it trends toward victim blaming but that's not today's issue.

Women being directly assaulted* sexually in ANY fashion in a public restroom, locker room, or shower is very very VERY rare, even in absolute numbers, let alone being essentially non-existent as a statistical factor.

Of these very rare case, a microscopic portion are committed by some clever perv who though cross-dressing up was a ticket to success (or just had a fetish for some article of fem clothing like the one guy who was wearing a child-size tutu) and most of these were so obviously not dressing to pass but dressing for fetish that they cannot be accused of trying to "pass" as trans or as an "ordinary" woman.

Now we're down to probably less than a dozen guys - and these are no MORE common in the wake of trans-respecting legislation than before, and likewise no more common in the 225ish cities with such policies than in places without.

And on a worldwide basis, in places where restrooms are not genitally segregated, they are not hotbeds of rape.

In other words, gturner is - like all the ignorant/gullible pawns of the Traditionalist Pharisees, arguing from supposition and speculation about what the assume would happen since they assume all men are just as twisted as they are.

Meanwhile, for those of us who consider evidence to reach a conclusion, there's a massive mountain of evidence that what they claim to fear would happen - has never yet happened (as a result of these laws).

He might as well be worried about the impending Bigfoot attacks.


(*when I say "directly assaulted" I'm excepting the little pervy assholes who hide a camera in their someplace. There seems to be a comparable number of those to the news stories we hear of sexual predator ministers)

That is not what being transgendered is. So if you make such a stupid assumption as Gturner has you would certainly fall on the wrong side of the law. It takes a whole lot more than just a thought that contradicts the rest of the thoughts you naturally have.

Ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law in the US. Sorry, but your little plan would not get very far as you would be found out fairly quickly and end up in prison. You are a pervert and a liar.

I am pretty sure the government would have no problem proving you are a pervert and a liar. It is your thing.

Here is the thing. Until he came out and began to live as a woman he used the men's room and used men's locker rooms. Had he just started going into the bathrooms of the opposite gender people would have had him arrested, but she lives as a woman presently and that is a lot more than just the small amount of time in the bathroom.

You are such an ignorant piece of shit. There is actually psychological diagnosis of being transgendered, and trans people live the life. I am explaining this for the other people who might not understand you do not just say you are trans and whammo you are trans. @gturner is a liar and is attempting to insert complete bullshit as fact. He is clearly a moron as a simple search on google would show you what is required to be identified as trans, and yes this has been around for a while. Being transgendered is actually very ntural and it has been around for a long time. Some creatures actually change gender on their own. So if you are interested in these things do no9t pay attention to the board's most notable bullshit artist, ask questions of people who know like scientists and perhaps the people who go through it.

I am always surprised when people believe the slackjawed idiot that they know is a slackjawed idiot, over people actually in the know.

You completely overestimate men. As one, I understand them pretty well. At present there are almost no men exploiting the transgender rules because they're still operating under the old assumptions about what is proper, and more importantly what is hilarious. That can change with one viral video. Milo Yiannopoulis will probably make that video, and every fratboy will watch it, and then your world will collapse, because we enjoy collapsing people's worlds oh so very much.

That's not his burden. His burden is to prove you were in their with your penis, your DEFENSE is that you are trans (no, "feel like a woman sometimes" isn't sufficient. You don't even know enough about the subject to accurately create a hypothetical). So if you offer a defense, it's your burden to prove it. Just saying so won't get you acquitted.

65 when it became public knowledge, but it was known to various individuals in her confidence long before that. Moreover, She wasn't in the ladies room while presenting to the public as Bruce.

It's been widely suspected since she had FFS a few years ago. Yes, since childhood.

I knew by the time I was 7, but I never ventured into the ladies until after I'd declared myself publicly and visited a therapist a few times. For the purposes of this discussion - where you pee - those of us still in the closet never presume to use the ladies (or men's, for the FtM brothers) while closeted because that would beg questions we don't want asked.
I acknowledge that there are fetish crossdressers who might abuse the privilege, but they do so at their own risk, IMO. If they can prove they are operating under the color of legitimate gender identity then they get treated like invaders for all I care.

You simply were not paying attention - albeit most of your sort don't think Caitlyn is "really a woman" now so you kind of undermine your own point.

No. Just those who were not paying attention.

Kristen Beck. She and I are Facebook friends. Someone else who never wished to enter the ladies room until after transitioning. We do know what we are doing you know. We're the ones who run the risk of being violently assaulted every time we need to pee while out in public. We're not going to just blunder in pre-transition to deliberately invite such attacks.

Unless Beck was in a ladies room before anyone knew, your point is irrelevant.

Your imagination is overactive, but sloppy.

In parts of the world where restrooms are not segregated, men do not routinely assault women in them - are American males more perverted than the typical non-American male?

But it's okay to be in a women's restroom with a penis. The transgendered people made it so. We're just using the change for personal entertainment, hopefully filming the goings on and posting them on Reddit.

In large parts of India the women have to go to the bathroom before the sun rises so they don't get seen and raped. That's because India doesn't have segregated woods where people do their pooping.

woods are secluded, not public buildings well lit, well populated, and saturated in security cameras in most cases

Woods are places where a man might stumble across a woman doing her business. All else follows, which is why we went to the incredible inconvenience and inefficiency of providing two completely different bathrooms for men and women ever since we made them large enough for more than one person at a time and without a locking door.

You had to go all the way to india to shit out that piece of bullshit. I am pretty sure that this discussion is in no way relevant to that society, nor is their society relevant to ours considering what we are talking about. Really Gdumbass you are not in the discussion anymore like always.

Don't let him bring the argument to absurd areas. If we want to discuss bathroom issues of india there is a world of difference in environment, and none of this NC bullshit applies.

So India doesn't have regular men and women like American does? Maybe they're just too brown. If only they were whiter they wouldn't have that problem.

Nah, not really.

Real men have good jobs, provide for a family when they're your age, don't write thousands of words that are mostly bullshit a day on an obscure message board, don't spend 80% of the day on the Internet, dont turtle when they get called out, get laid every once in a while, have integrity, don't have a personality disorder like you do....the list goes on. You're actually running quite the deficit when it comes to being a man.

You amuse me, because you're such a worthless failure of a troll.

The only people who turtle when I get called out (which is 15 times a day) are the morons who still haven't provided a single example of a lie. All the call out threads die a sad twitching death. I love those threads. You should start another one.

You sound angry, maybe its time to jerk off into your sock for the fourth time today and just chill out.

Maybe your mom has some leftover meatloaf you can use to eat your feelings?

I don't even know how to make sense of that. Is jerking off into a sock a thing in some obscure corner of the Internet?

I need not argue the obvious. You are a liar and wrong.

Welp you're the only guy that won't get it then.

Why would I want "to get it" from a sock? I've seen and smelled all kinds of socks in my day, and never once did one turn me on.

But I'm not saying that you shouldn't woo all the socks you want. More power to you.