*that person* was not zeroed in on from the outset. In each case, the speaker was in the gunman's sights until the students drew their gun. The student with over 100 hours firearm experience never drew his gun. This last student reacted the most rationally. Watch the damn video, why don't you?
The "experiment" was rigged you idiot. In fact, I think it's a mockery to call it an experiment. They set up virtually untrained kids to show that the people cannot be trusted with firearms. I'd like to see them try with some of the ROTC in many schools, but using people who are comfortable with guns would have lead to the undesreable result of the gunman not "winning".
Every controlled experiment is "rigged" you moron. The results were significant however. They took an average set of kids ranging from no firearm experience to significant experience typical of the average classroom and rigged the environment allowing them to investigate how these kids would react under a simulated attack. The gunman in these situations never wins, fool. The question is whether students with firearms could effect a change in how the situation ends and the resounding conclusion is not at all, or even making it worse by accidentally shooting other students. The only thing "undesirable" about this is it didn't adhere to your prejudices about guns.
You know what would be a good experiment? Take a totally random sampling of, say, 50 people in a state that has legal concealed carry. Put them in the Hogan's Alley combat town at the FBI Academy in Quantico. If they carry, they carry their gun and real, live ammo. Then take a convicted mugger/rapist. Tell him maybe one of the people in the town may be carrying, maybe none of them are. Maybe ALL of them are. Or some number in between. Tell him that they are carrying actual, live ammo, and that if he can overpower one of them and get their wallet/purse/jewelry his sentence will be commuted. Of course if he fails, he could wind up wounded or dead. And if he is caught, he will be charged with whatever crimes he commits in attempting to overpower one of the people. Oh, and put one armed, uniformed police officer in the town too. Of course if he doesn't want to play, he can go back to his cell right now and finish out his sentence. That would be a much more realistic scenario than Diane "Do You Read the Bible?" Sawyer laid out.
It is actually despicable how quickly the campaign is ramping up now that the Obama (praise His name) is in office. In addition to crooked media "experiments" on national television and the press running any gun violence story with an unhappy ending, there is a new billboard on my way into town. It has a concerned looking young father, staring intently at me with the copy "Is there a gun where your child plays? You owe it to yourself to ask." or something to that effect. You know what, douchenozzle? Have you taught your child what to do if he finds an unattended gun? You owe it to yourself to teach him.
So many students have combat training these days I can see why this is a valid point. It would be less valid in the general population.
I have a BS in Biology, I KNOW how to make an experiment. If you want to see whether someone with firearms training can stop a gunman, first of all, they need a reasonable amount of gun training, fool. Then, fool, you don't tell the shooter that there is a gun in the rooms, let alone point out the kid with a gun to the shooter. And, fool, you most certainly don't send in a SWAT member with years of police and combat training to play the gunman. The gunmen seen so far have been angry and insane people with minimal gun experience and NO combat experience. Idiot, all this so-called "experiment" proves is that a student with minimal gun experience is no match for a trained experienced combat/law-enforcement veteran. It's the equivilent of disproving mixed martial arts by giving someone three days of training and sending him up against a 10th dan karate black belt. That, dumbass, does not disprove mixed martial arts, it shows that an untrained student can't defeat a karate master. If you want to do REAL science, idiot, don't rig the experiment.
Asshole, talk about rigging an experiment. Why don't you tie the shooter's hands and cobble his feet? How many of you gun freaks have "training" other than popping off a few every now and then? How many students do you think have training? The police firearms trainer DID train the students in this experiment, more than anyone receiving a starter firearms class. Did you bother to WATCH THE DAMN VIDEO?! On top of that, some of the students had prior experience. Lots of it. Your need for guns is merely a pathetic security blanket to compensate your lack of control. Grow up.
I have advanced training. I'm convinced, for example, that when you snap someone like me will put you down like the snoop-dawg you are, steve. Preferably someone in Kennesaw when you mewa their property.
Actually, it's a security blanket to compensate for criminals' lack of control. Aside: Hey Steve, things sure are different between here and HobbyTalk, ain't they?
Exhibit C: I'm sure the frequent home break-ins you've experienced provoked this response. You're excused. I have a twisted desire to introduce wf style dialogue over there!
One in the neighborhood is all I needed! I've done it accidentally a few times, forgetting where I was. hankster banned me once for simulating a bad word with asterisks. I apologized and talked him out of it. Carson threatened to ban me recently 'cause I made fun of Guy in an offhand post which I didn't even remember making, and Guy went crying to him. Griff - well, Griff just thinks he's my mommy sometimes. He once warned me for language because someone complained that I said "what the hell" instead of "heck." He recently came down on me heavy 'cause I joked about the way people joke about never finishing a model, and he misread my intent. He's gotten real pissy lately. It's tough visiting a "family" bboard after this one!
If you consider a bunch of middle aged male glue-sniffers family... I guess I sorta do even though I gave up the habit.
So glue sniffing is your "security blanket"? You have bigger problems than I thought. For the record, I have no "security blanket", nor do I need one.
Your powers of deduction are weak, and your ability to divine a persons character and personal habits from message board postings is totally non-existent. You are so wrong, that I suppose it would surprise you to learn that I haven't actually fired a gun in nearly seven years.
I'd say Steve's about as intellectually honest and desperate to believe as one of the Intelligent Design types.
