Is it a Human Right to get your balls waxed?

I admit it is something to be watched. I would never say give someone free reign and forget it. Shine the light on it, but also have conversations with the children and have an understanding of trans issues and make sure it is understood it is separate from sexual issues.

Should a flat chested 12 year old trans boy put on a bikini top because his nipples are showing?

Oh, so @Tererun is actually Jessica Yavin

Yay, you figured it all out. You win the Interwebs!

Now go give me a tldr.

I'm speaking specifically of the panic over ball waxing, i haven't read all that text message stuff, this is the first I've heard of it

the indefensible Parker Molloy picks apart an example of typical right wing disingeniousness in the pursuit of bigotry



Also, French insists on referring to trans girls as "boys" so it's obviously a bad faith argument from the jump



oh, and the arm band thing? There's a reason she mentioned it

https://t.co/qbE2HPPukm

A federal Title IX lawsuit filed in Wisconsin on Tuesday alleges that the Kenosha Unified School District instructed guidance counselors to have Ash Whitaker, a 16-year old transgender boy, and “any other transgender students at the school” wear “bright green wristbands” so that the school could “more easily monitor and enforce [their] restroom usage.”

Ash Whitaker made headlines this year when he was allowed to run for prom king after initially being denied the opportunity to run. His mother, Melissa, is a co-plaintiff in the suit and a teacher at his school.

Kenosha Unified School District spokeswoman Tanya Ruder was not immediately available to comment on the suit or the Whitakers’ claims.

As the Journal Sentinel reported, the Whitakers had filed an earlier complaint with the U.S. Department of Education’s Civil Rights Division that was withdrawn ahead of this week's lawsuit.

According to the lawsuit, Ash Whitaker came out as transgender to his parents in the eighth grade and to “a few close friends” during to his freshman year. Then, at the start of his sophomore year he formally came out to “all of his teachers and peers.” The Whitakers say that the trouble began later that year.

In the spring of 2015, the 36-page complaint alleges, school administrators at George Nelson Tremper High School denied the Whitakers’ request to allow Ash to use the boys’ bathroom, instructing him to either use the girls’ room or a single-occupant restroom in the school office instead.

I follow not a few trans "opinion leaders" who are activist and super tied-into what the "approved" view of the community is on most every issue. I haven't seen a single voice supporting the right to ball waxing or any other forced exposure to genitals on the job (of either sort) other than in a medical setting which is something that comes with that job.

Yeah I don't see really anyone supporting this loon's "human rights" complaint

citations?

Eat a bag of infected dicks

No.

Dinner is full of shit as usual

This wasn't my only comment but it was my primary take:

Which is to say, this case seems to be bullshit, no one I have heard from considers it a case of anti-trans bias...but the question before the tribunal, or in any case of discrimination, is whether a trans person is accommodate in the same fashion as a similarly situated cis person, not whether the accommodation being sought is a "human right" in and of itself.

oh fuck off with that.

Yaniv (whom no activists consider to bE an activist) may well be a loon but that does NOT mean that...

*She's wrong that TERFS abuse the FUCK out of trans people on Twitter and other social media with joyous abandon and targeted malice
*that said TERFS do not immediately turn and play the innocent victim when called on their target harassment
* that the idea that Twitter, which can't be bothered to ban actual Nazis, is somehow an anti-rightwing hellsite (@jack himself is a hard right dude) is anything but propagandistic bullshit.

I mean, I'm all for calling bullshit on the ball waxing story but every high-profile trans or pro-trans voice (like Amanda Jette Knox for a Canadian example) I know is constantly pounded with anti-trans harassment from TERFs and slapping that shit down is not only a legit choice by Twitter but frankly doesn't happen remotely often enough.

One real problem I see with this whole thing, it creates more animosity and suspicion to transgendered people.

Agreed. I'd have been down with both of them getting run.

My above speaks to the broader topic of the bullshit of "standing up for womankind" as a cover story for viscous anti-trans bigotry.

What the hell is a TERF?

Jesus, can we stop it with the fucking acronyms already?

I swear the internet has made society worse than the government/military when it comes to the acronym bullshit.

I was just going to ask what a TERF was too

My balls hurt just thinking about this shit.

First impression-

I will ALWAYS take issue with a person who asks society to respect their trans gender identity yet is, as they do so, presenting in their assumed-at-birth gender.

I have been trans all my life, and known about it since I was six (at least). I began transitioning at 44.

The idea that i would have gone anywhere at 42 and demanded to be received, treated as, and respected as a female in a public setting is laughably absurd. And so for everyone.

Now, in say, an online setting or some other disconnected way...sure, respect someone's identity because not everyone CAN transition even if they want to...but if you present male in public, the public is wholly justified in interacting with you on that basis.

Moreover - I obvious condemn the anti-immigrant bigotry (I should think that bit would make Dinner more supportive - bigotries in conflict!) as a wholly other issue.
Likewise, NO it is not okay to creep on other women as an method of "bonding" no matter their age. At very best reading, this person is troubled and potentially dangerous.

Finally - because this bitch is exhausting -NO YOU GODDMAN LOON YOU DO NOT HAVE A PERIOD, IT IS NOT HEAVY, AND FUCK OFF INTO THE SUN.
These crazies are like one-in-ten thousand but they serve the soul purpose of giving right wing bigots ammunition to bash all of us and deny us our legitimate rights.

Trans
Exclusionary
Radical
Feminist

A very tiny but VERY loud and passionate segment of RadFems, usually financially supported and message-elevated by right wing Pharisees who hate them too but find them to be very useful idiots, who spend every waking hour working to harass and demean trans people. They have outsized influence in the UK and are causing real harm to trans equality there because they've been legitimized by the press.

Yes, absolutely ball waxing is a fundamental human right.

A binder with a shirt over (MANY cis males do not go topless when swiming) would suffice

discussing life-experience that you haven't been able to experience (like fear of or desire to become pregnant) is a very common and necessary trans thing.

being born with a penis and insisting "I'm about to start my period and it's usually very heavy" marks you as disconnected from reality IMO (unless you're in some sort of role-play game situation)

There's a difference in saying "how do cis women deal with this?" and insisting YOU are dealing with it.

I have heard trans women insist they have the emotional and such like symptoms associated with periods on the monthly (which I'm skeptical is anything other than psychosomatic but it's not loony) but insisting you are actually bleeding is nutbar IMO. I also know of trans people who manipulate their HRT in order to mimic a cycle and on that my view is if it helps your dysphoria, go for it.

if you have to be told what a TERF is then that is conclusive evidence that you do not fully appreciate what trans people who are publically visible have to deal with and are not informed enough to be taking that "Twitter is picking on us for free speech" bullshit seriously.

I mean, I'm not trying to bash you - just the bullshit at the link. Yaniv is by all indications is a potentially dangerous loon, but the whining in that NP link is also utter bullshit. There's a whole cottage industry of TERFs* who's only reason for being on social media is a crusade to drive trans people from public life. Part of their shtick is to cry victimhood when their hatefulness draws a rebuke.

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Trans
Exclusionary
Radical
Feminist

A very tiny but VERY loud and passionate segment of RadFems, usually financially supported and message-elevated by right wing Pharisees who hate them too but find them to be very useful idiots, who spend every waking hour working to harass and demean trans people. They have outsized influence in the UK and are causing real harm to trans equality there because they've been legitimized by the press.

I thought it was funny.

oh fuck off with that.

First, I'd bet hard cash that at least 95% (or more) of the world has no idea what a TERF is.

Second, I absolutely agree that I cannot fully appreciate what a trans person has to deal with, as I'm not a trans person.

Doesn't mean I can't support them or support equal rights and treatment.

Get fucked with that shit. Not everyone knows what something means. Because your life exposes you to situations or conditions that others don't, instead of being an asshole about it, how about explaining it without the condescension. I had know idea what it meant it either.

And he isn't wrong, there's acronyms that are new all the time, that are used within certain groups and circles that of you are not a part of or exposed to all that often you are not going to know about it. With the work I do, we use terms and our own acronyms that you wouldn't know what they mean.

So that very behavior, is what can turn people against you. He @We Are Borg isn't exposed to what you are, he isn't familiar with the term, and I'm guessing a good number of people on here aren't either. So instead of acting like an ass, how about explaining it to someone who you would want, and could support you.

He stands to make $35,000 per case and he has filed dozens of cases. Liberals have let this get weaponized. Shame on Canada.

Well, that seemed to have backfired

That’s probably the whole point of spreading it. Makes trans people seem crazy and irrational making it easier to dehumanize and dismiss actual issues and abuses, which are common.

I get where she's coming from though. TERF means "trans exclusionary radical feminist/feminism," and essentially says that a transgender woman is really a man no matter what she thinks, and that transgender women do not belong with "real" women. TERFs are assholes. Think Dinner, but directed towards women instead of... well, think Dinner. After having to explain over and over and over again just to justify her existence, it kind of gets tiring after a while. Honestly, my first thought when @Nova answers like that is whether or not she feels okay, if something is bothering her, because the burden she bears is so personal that she gets to hear it, see it, and experience every day of her life, and it's not about a political ideology, or a religion, or anything like that, it's about just being human, and being judged for not conforming to what people think she should represent. To say it's stressful is an understatement.