Is Joe Biden also a racist piece of shit?

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  1. Ten Lubak

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    Did you get shot in the head at any point while on duty in Iraq?
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    Not a critical point of failure.

    Iraqi snipers aren't trained to hit his real target without satellite intel.
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    not that I remember - then again memory loss is one of my mental/psychological afflictions. :flow: Seriously though I'm finding out that the cornucopia of debris we used to burn in our large open pit burn sites created a possibly harmful chemical mish-mash that we breathed in almost constantly. :chris: Also the barrels of diesel soaked human shit we used to burn just can't be good for you. :chris:
    On the plus side, at least it's not agent orange! And very recently I am seeing ads about faulty ear plugs (nothing but the best for our troops!) issued for the sandbox may have fucked up some folks' hearing and we may be eligible for compensation! :huh: I'm not pursuing that, because I guarantee I got my tinnitus/hearing loss after I came back from the sandbox, while teaching radar repair with some extremely loud radars that are (thankfully) not used anymore.
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    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Not excusing him (he's not my candidate), but Biden suffered two aneurysms in 1988 and, depending upon where they were located and how quickly they were treated, memory deficits and personality changes could result.

    That said, Joltin' Joe has always suffered from foot-in-mouth disease. Joe, you're a sweet guy and all, but FGS, STFU!

    Or just keep blundering along and watch your ratings drop before the primaries so that more qualified candidates can move up a notch.

    IMO.
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  5. Dayton Kitchens

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    Hard to believe that Biden is not even the oldest Democratic candidate running. Sanders is of course.

    And I've heard that if elected Warren would be 71 when inaugurated.
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    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Which has what to do with what, exactly? Has either candidate suffered the loss of a spouse and two childen, and two major brain surgeries? Do tell.
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    What does Biden's personal losses from 50 years ago have to do with anything. Oh yeah he lost one son more recently but you get the idea. How exactly do personal tragedies make a person more qualified to be president?
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  8. spot261

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    I imagine the argument being made is that life experience consists of more than a number of years. Contact with death is a profound experience and changes peoples' outlooks and appreciation for the value of life.
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    Doesn't almost everyone have "contact with death" during their lives though? Everyone I've ever known has.
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    Yes, but not everyone can listen to the grieving parents of a dead soldier and know how it feels to lose a child.

    It's not just death, any idea why AOC is so popular? It's because she's known a life without privilege or riches, she comes from a "normal" background that reflects her voting base. She "gets" the perspective of inner city impoverished voters because she lives amongst them, has been one of them.

    McCain? Thorn in the side of the Republican establishment, but he understood the consequences of foreign policy making from first hand experience.

    Biden strikes me as a total tool to be perfectly honest but I do understand @garamet s' point about the value of lived experience.
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  11. Dayton Kitchens

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    That makes no sense. Who are a couple of the iconic Democratic presidents of the 20th century? FDR and JFK. Both of them were from wealthy families. Children of privilege.

    Once again you are goalpost shifting. Saying basically "yes, we've all had loved ones die, but it only really matters if we've had a child die".
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  12. spot261

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    What on earth are you talking about?

    I'm shifting no goalposts, there weren't any goalposts there to shift.

    All modern Presidents have been independently wealthy AFAIK, being "iconic" is meaningless. What we are talking about is @garamet 's suggestion that the broader the set of life experiences the better the decision maker, which is hardly a controversial insight.
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    You're the one who brought up AOC being so popular because she's (direct quote from your post) "known a life without privilege or riches"

    I brought up FDR & JFK who were two of the most popular (perhaps I shouldn't have said 'iconic') Democratic presidents even though they were definitely "children of privilege".
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    AOC is not a president.

    Her popularity rides on the fact that she is the exception to the norm, she's rare in the extreme to have become a congresswoman coming from the background she did because the system typically makes it very difficult to succeed unless you are privileged. That's no coincidence, circles of power tend to converge which is why you see the same family names cropping up again and again in the higher echelons of any society and especially in conservative circles, because conserving the status quo is exactly what conservatism is about.

    People are so enamoured with her precisely because they see so few people like her in politics, people like themselves who have spent most of their adult lives working at or near minimum wage, someone who they feel really represents them because 99.999% of the time it's a closed shop.
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    Regardless "Contact With Death" sounds like a great title for a movie!
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    They don't. And I didn't say they did.
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    Or Brian Cox' catchphrase, "whisky or death"
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    What was your post meant to indicate then?
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    Life experience. Google it.
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    You know AOC was selected in much the same way (and based on a few similar criteria) as an actress, right? Her charisma is not accidental. And I'd admire her slightly more if she hadn't picked such a luxury flat in DC. Not exactly Bernie with millions and 3 houses, but then give her time, Sanders could be her great great grandfather.

    Just kidding, only great grandfather.
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    Is this a republican who worships a actor who played second fiddle to a chimp trying to claim an actor is a bad selection for governing? Be careful or St. Reagan will come down from his republican throne and smite you with trickle down economics.
    yes, you would admire her if she lived in a less expensive place. Sure, right.
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    IIRC about one third of the members of the House of Representatives live in their offices.
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  28. spot261

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    And what exactly got Trump into the White House if not his ability to command a crowd?

    Charisma has always been a key trait in politicians and it's absurd to make that a criticism of her.

    As for her luxury flat, meh, no one said she couldn't have aspirations. What I said was she comes from a background where she is perceived to understand the needs of her constituency first hand, not that she's lacking in drive or ambition to improve her lot in life. Pick any one of those constituents and give them a choice between street life and a luxury flat ( as a second home so she has access to the capital) and they'd without exception choose the latter.
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    Turns out I'm a "remainer" - I like when leftists remain ignorant. Research for yourself, I'll not explain further the differences or do your research on how she got picked by the party. Or even how AOC is in fact a bigger racist piece of shit than Biden's recently been accused of (though hint: check our her 60 Minutes app. earlier this year).

    edit: there are true believers and frauds. She's no TB.
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    There are very few true believers in politics, people who want to help at the ground level usually stay at the ground level for that very reason.

    Those who do scale the ladder can potentially be more dangerous than the frauds if their particular brand of believing looks more like fanaticism. Both sides have them.

    Politics is the art of the possible, where no one gets their wish but maybe there'll be a compromise down the line that isn't too awful. when it swings too far too fast we see what is happening in much of the developed world right now, polarisation which doesn't allow for reconciliation.

    I can't speak for AOC, never met her, probably never will. I can, however, say she's nowhere near as close to what most of the world would call the "far left" as the current administration is to the "far right". Hell by our standards she's pretty much a centrist and it's worth bearing that in mind when weighing up the current situation. The US has a background of right wing politics at any given time and I'd struggle to think up any truly Marxist or socialist US figures in recent times.