Israel is Coming Apart at the Seams, It Seems

That statement sounds like she’s comparing the memory of the events. Not necessarily the event itself. Learn the difference.

Good lord, Jenee is right, sorta. J6 was a tremendously important event in American history. You'd think someone educated in history would see that. But I forgot, Trumpers be Trumpin'.

Wow. Reading comprehension and you have only a passing familiarity.

I think we all have to be fair and remember that to the average Republican, January 6 was as important as, say, last Tuesday. Nothing to see here, etc. Just a friendly tour that got a little out of hand.

January 6th was nowhere near as violent as 9/11 or Pearl Harbor, but in many ways it's more dangerous. If we can't trust the peaceful transfer of power then our system of government is over. The first time a US president tried to stop the peaceful transfer of power is an enormous milestone, a crossing the Rubicon moment.

And the fact that he was clearly backed by foreign adversaries made it even more of a threat. It is extraordinarily unlikely that anyone will ever conquer the US from external force. It can be brought down by the complete amorality of a President and his willfully ignorant followers.

Well, I think @Steal Your Face is willfully ignorant a lot of the time, yes. But he also seems kinda unwilfully stupid, too.

Would you feel comfortable as a Jewish student walking around and through protestors led by this guy:

A leader of the pro-Palestinian protests at Columbia University had a video emerge on social media this week, threatening violence to “Zionists.”

“Zionists don’t deserve to live,” student Khymani James said in a video from January. He is also heard saying “Be grateful that I’m not just going out and murdering Zionists.”

The remarks happened around the time James had a meeting with school officials over a social media post about fighting a Zionist.

“I don’t fight to injure or for there to be a winner or a loser, I fight to kill,” he said.

https://thehill.com/homenews/educat...rsity-protests-pro-palestinian-video-student/

What about folks who shout GO BACK TO POLAND at Jewish students?

Or hang INTIFADA banners off of occupied buildings?

As a Jewish person you would feel safe around such folks occupying your school for days and weeks?

As to the police operation at Columbia, it was professionally handled and there aren't reports of any major injuries to this point. The Mayor stated that it was believed this needed to happen because outside agitators, what they called 'professional protesters', were the ones who initiated the blockade of Hamilton Hall. The police are reporting that most of the arrests in Hamilton Hall were not students. We'll see if this holds up under scrutiny.

And evidently, this is done because Columbia has 'investments' in Israel. Though evidently what this means is that the Universities does business with businesses that do yet more business with Israel. So they wanted Columbia to stop using Google, Amazon, and Airbnb, for example.

I'd have a lot more sympathy for them if they protested Congress or even Raytheon, Lockheed Martin or Northrop Grumman. I wouldn't agree, but at least I'd understand.

Instead they made an ethnic minority feel unsafe in the halls of academia.

Morons.

Why don't you ask the Jewish groups who helped organise the protests?

The vast majority of Jewish people support Israel. Funny how you never bring up the Palestinians who say that Hamas has to go. In both cases, these people are the minority in their group.

Though to be fair, a Jew won't have to worry about being beaten or killed for saying they oppose Israel.

This thread needs to be retired, taken out behind the barn and shot, then buried with the ground above salted.

Are there any here?

I’m asking you if you were a Jewish student
Would you feel comfortable walking around and through protestors led by this guy:

A leader of the pro-Palestinian protests at Columbia University had a video emerge on social media this week, threatening violence to “Zionists.”

“Zionists don’t deserve to live,” student Khymani James said in a video from January. He is also heard saying “Be grateful that I’m not just going out and murdering Zionists.”

The remarks happened around the time James had a meeting with school officials over a social media post about fighting a Zionist.

“I don’t fight to injure or for there to be a winner or a loser, I fight to kill,” he said.

https://thehill.com/homenews/educat...rsity-protests-pro-palestinian-video-student/

What about folks who shout GO BACK TO POLAND at Jewish students?

Or hang INTIFADA banners off of occupied buildings?

If you were a Jewish person you would feel safe around such folks occupying your school for days and weeks?

No I wouldn't. That James guy got suspended and booted off campus. He may lose his ability to graduate.

These are Soros funded protests.

This is in no way the same thing as what you said

I'm almost offended by your laziness here

Your mom is Soros funded. Are you for real?

You're a moron.

If you’re going to respond to serious subjects, please respond seriously.

Point of order: Rick is very much capable of nuance, as seen in the Ukraine war thread. He's full of nuance and caution and excuse making when the topic is Russia or Hamas or any entity that's not America or aligned with America.

Of course, when the topic is America or Israel or anyone he considers aligned with either, it's all knee jerk performative condemnations and hyperbolic outrage and a suspicious lack of sources for his more outrageous claims.

These children should be transported to Gaza to help the palestinians situation, immediately.

You know, you're fond of repeating your posts verbatim when you don't get the answer you want. But you're also someone who runs away from these discussions whenever your views are challenged, including earlier in the thread when you brought up the Tigray War, so that's a bit off.

If you do seriously want an answer, then I could point to the fact that these protests have not been spontaneous and ad hoc. They are extremely well organised and have drawn from and sought to learn from previous movements. The groups involved in their organisation do include Jewish Voice for Peace. There are so many Jewish people involved that they're taking large donations of kosher food. They've sought to train their participants in deconfliction, media engagement, police engagement, how to deal with antisemitism and Islamophobia. And the many other things it takes to sustain and grow a mass movement.

They've faced all sorts of provocation, including idiots walking into the middle of their encampments shouting "Kill the Jews" in an effort to generate bad press. There are very well funded groups organising counter-protests and all kinds of smears that encourage violence against them. It's not unlikely that there are psyops from their own government and the government of Israel directed against them. They know that if they put a foot wrong, it will be magnified a hundred-fold.

So, it's not good if one of the people involved said bad shit about Zionists prior to the protests. He shouldn't have said it. But no matter how much this conflation persists, Zionists are not in fact Jews. In the context of the United States most of them are Christians and a lot of them are in fact doing very bad things, so anger towards them is very understandable. Either way, these statements are contrary to the goals of the protests generally.

"Intifada" is merely the Arabic word for uprising (the first intifada was initially very peaceful). And people shouting "Go back to Poland" are idiots - it's inevitable that there will be idiots.

So no, this wouldn't make me feel unsafe if I were a Jew. I'd like to think that I'd be aligned with JVP. I can understand how others might feel that way - but unfortunately the feelings of some relatively privileged people are a tad less important than the lives of the children that the IDF will kill with American bombs tonight, or the ones that they killed last night. Or the night before.

Yeah. You see a lot of the kids have the same tent. That can only mean Soros funding and NOT that is a $35 tent on Amazon with free overnight shipping.

In fairness, I have seen people say that January 6th was a greater threat/danger to America, specifically American democracy and "the union" than PH or 9/11, which is arguably correct. The fallout from a successful insurrection would have been much, much worse nationally than anything Al Queda or the Japanese Navy could have pulled off.

No reason at all, Jews should be afraid.

Are you suggesting the US has “behaved honorably” and should be above reproach?

Did you watch the video? He’s calling for the death of every supporter of Israel’s right to exist, in no uncertain terms. That’s >80% of American Jews (Pew, 2021) and 100% of Israeli Jews. You don’t think wanting the death of 12.4 million Jews is maybe a touch antisemitic?

Oh right, there are some “good Jews” too who he doesn’t want to die, so I guess that makes it okay.

I do find it somewhat hopeful that little has emerged in terms of evidence of antisemitism among other protest leaders, and I don’t think that’s just bad reporting (and I hope that’s the case). Fox News keeps running headlines about it, but with no evidence in the articles. I have real worries about the ones hanging “intifada” signs though.

I specifically said that it wasn't okay. The link points out that both he and the protest leadership have collectively said that too.

Nevertheless, can you point to the time reference in the video that he said that he favoured wiping out all Zionists, or any words to that effect? Because I'm not hearing that.

4:30-5:00, 5:50-6:51.

Edit: and I think the video makes it pretty clear his own walking back of it is worthless. It’s clear he’s willing to say anything to whoever to get himself out of trouble and then go right back to saying Zionists should die.

I suppose you could interpret those bits in that way, but it's not "in no uncertain terms". It's a fairly unhinged rant.