It's Good News Friday! (CLIMATE CHANGE)

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    All of it, science denier.
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    Science evolves as new evidence emerges.

    Is this evidence still valid?

    Have you checked?
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  9. Bailey

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    Great! Shall we start with discussion of the coal and oil industry funded group which produced this study 21 years ago, or attempt to uncover what exactly is the point being made by an extract of an article talking about how localized temperatures have been warmer and cooler over the last 1000 years?
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  10. Steal Your Face

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    We should start with the fact that this study rightly points out that there are warming and cooling periods periodically throughout time and in the middle ages there was a warming period where temperatures were hotter than in 2003. This was at a time when there were no fossil fuel emissions and global warming, sorry, climate change is cyclical and the most contributing factor is the sun. We can also talk about the fact that this was based on over 200 peer reviewed studies.
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    1. Localized temperatures in certain areas are different metrics to average global temperature. The quotes provided refer to "regions worldwide" and "many parts of the world" which on the surface appears to be an attempt to misleadingly conflate the two.

    That said there is nothing that new presented here, as a literature review it was just collecting existing knowledge, and I'm not aware of any dispute over the existence of those warming and cooling periods, although there is evidence suggesting they were not uniform global events and may have occured in staggered times in different parts of the world

    There certainly are cycles in the global climate, again I'm not aware of any dispute here. In fact, studying the natural cycles is one of the basic ways that climate researchers are able to point to the current conditions as not fitting any of the existing cycles.

    The sun (and indeed any speculation on contributing factors) does not appear in the information you posted.

    Yes, and they came out with a model of temperatures for some areas that matches many others as a result. However you seem to be trying to present this as some novel finding, when no climate models of any repute assert that the global climate was static and unchanging before human activity added to the influences on it.

    Your paraphrased leap from "it was warmer and colder in some areas at various times" to "therefore the sun is the main contributor and human activities don't influence it" is totally unsupported by the data you presented.

    Do you dispute any of the following?
    1. Human activity is taking sequestered carbon (wood, coal, oil, gas) and emitting it into the atmosphere.
    2. These emissions have contributed to raising atmospheric CO2 levels to levels not seen for several million years.
    3. Increased CO2 levels in the atmosphere are scientifically demonstrated to have an insulation effect, resulting in the Earth retaining more of the sun's energy than it would have otherwise.
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    We're hopefully getting solar installed soon, very much looking forward to being able to run the air conditioner all day for free off it.

    It's wild how much prices have come down on it.
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    Professionally installed?
    For your entire house/apartment?
    Definitely let us know when it’s done. Full solar electric is included in my eventual plan.
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    Yeah, any electrical work like that requires professional installation here. I haven't got formal quotes yet, but based on experiences of people I know I'm estimating about US$5000 at the high end to get our house fitted out where we have all the power we need during the day.

    Know a couple of people with batteries, but harder to justify the numbers on that right now.
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    nothing is free. The sun paid a dear price in hydrogen atoms; you're quickening the demise of the solar system.
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    5K sounds about right. Assuming you've got a 2K to 3K square foot house.

    I'm looking to put enough solar onto a mobile dwelling that will keep me powered working remotely on a computer all day and still be able to watch tv or play video games all evening. AND keep the refrigerator running and AC/Heat (depending on the season).
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    Bump.
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    Hi @Steal Your Face, since you asked for examples of running away from questions.
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    Fuck these cunts. Fuck them right in the ear.

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    The dumbasses always pull out stuff like, "it was hotter 1,000 years ago!"

    Whether that's true or not, it completely misses the point that it's 2023 and we have a problem right fucking now.
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    Can’t say as I can ever recall hearing about Hawaii having wildfires.
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    Trends are now worse than the worst case scenario on the IPCC reports.
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