Jeremiah Wright

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  1. Azure

    Azure I could kick your ass

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    What do you mean with white-run? I went to school with a lot of natives....most of them were lazy as hell, but some actually tried, and when they did.....surprisingly they were really successful.

    Now was my school 'white-run?'

    Maybe.....95% of the school population was white.
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    Shirogayne Gay™ Formerly Important

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    Refugees probably have far higher stakes to succeed than blacks, I'll admit. Most everyone where my mom grew up were on some form of government assistance and having babies for the purpose of getting more money. Certainly explains why one of my aunts had three *more* kids after her first three (born between age seventeen and 21) were grown. :jayzus:

    I think the difference between the poor black kids that succeed and those that don't are that they know the resources are out there and have someone helping them. I was lucky in that my uncle married a teacher who made me aware of AP classes and got me thinking about career paths from about nine or so and a mother who, having lamented she couldn't complete school because Grandma could never quite get her shit together, has always emphasized from the first day of kindergarten how important school was.

    But I know from seeing in my own family that not everyone has that, nor to they have functional parents who can see a good opportunity *for* their kids.

    Like you said, the refugee parents stay on their children. And actually, you know, parent. In America, parental apathy is by and far not exclusively Black, as Teacherforge will probably agree with.
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  3. shootER

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    I doubt it.
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  4. KIRK1ADM

    KIRK1ADM Bored Being

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    I couldn't disagree more. If so called black schools do not have the funding it is because their students are not attending as often as they should. As for the poor test scores, it is difficult to do well on tests when one isn't doing the work and practice that is required to learn the material that will be on these tests.

    The schools that are most successful are not successful simply because students do better on tests. It is because students first and foremost prepare themselves. They have parents that make a point of being involved and making sure their children are doing what is required of them. We have a slew of people who emmigrate here from other countries who literally have nothing. Vietnamese people come to mind. They have nothing, yet they tend to have a work ethic and a level of pride where they work their asses off and do well in both school and then later in their professions.

    So while I can see your point, it still doesn't eliminate the fact that if people aren't doing well in school it has far more to do with personal choices than the government.
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  5. 14thDoctor

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    I mean residential schools.

    http://www.anglican.ca/Residential-Schools/overview.htm
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    It appears even you are acknowledging the problem with the parents. It doesn't matter what the government does, how much money is spent, especially with how many schools are funded. If students in their seats, the school does not get as much money. If parents aren't involved, I don't care what the government does short of removing the children from the home. They will not be successful. The government cannot force someone to be successful.
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  7. Azure

    Azure I could kick your ass

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    Oh, I remember what you're talking about now.
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    Shirogayne Gay™ Formerly Important

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    Or if, instead of the teacher having to battle with knuckleheads and teach manners, said teacher could spend time teaching those who want to learn--or at the least, the ones who don't make a career of disrupting the class.

    My elementary school wasn't quite as horrible, but I had a 6th teacher who felt it was more important to make proper men and women of us than to teach the ABC and 3R's. As a result, the placement tests for math for the junior high were dismal compared to previous years. The highest test score was a 30 out of 40, when he'd seen more kids in the past do much better than that. And the kids with the higher scores (25 and up. I think I was 27) were not stupid. They worked diligently with what they got to do, but because we had to sit through him chewing out the slackers and fuck-ups, we didn't get nearly as much time to learning what we *should* have. I was the only kid in my seventh grade history class who hadn't studied Egyptian history. :jayzus:

    You know that saying in business about bad customers chase away good ones? Well, bad students drag down the good ones with them, IMO.
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    You are correct, but if teachers are having to teach manners, that again is something that is being demanded of them and being done because the parents aren't playing an active role.

    I will guarantee that at least in recent years, most educating is for the test. Test scores are so important to schools today that is the bulk of what students are taught.

    But, unless students are in the classroom they will not learn that. Unless parents are making their kids tow the line so to speak they are not going to learn.

    I think you believe the government can wave a magic wand and throw money at something and it will miraculously be fixed. That is flat out not the case. If that were the case, CA schools would be some of the highest ranked in the world given the billions and billions of dollars they receive each and every year.
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    Yeah, I'm 1/4 cree, and I was put up for adoption at birth. With everything I've heard about how the system handles native/metis children, I'm really glad I was adopted quickly (3 weeks old) and raised by two white people.
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    That's not really fair shootER, when it came to the Democrats own hypocrisy regarding their own faith based religious fascism, phantom was always a bit blind.
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    You fucking Apple :jayzus:
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