Law abiding gun owner here.

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  1. Tuttle

    Tuttle Listen kid, we're all in it together.

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    Plus the only profession that lies for a living that I can think of.

    Hypnotists? Is that lying? Probably some plastic surgeons. Personal trainers? Detectives or investigators? The last 2 at least it's in the line of duty. But would that count for the slimebuckets in the Capitols?
  2. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    Nah, lawyers do it better.

    Generally with even fewer compunctions, at least politicians by and large have some form of ideology other than getting rich.

    :?:
  3. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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  4. Forbin

    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

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  5. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    catch 22

    Forbin knows about his SC relatives...and by implication what it would be to live among them...and yet such people are common in the very "gun friendly" states and vice versa.

    Which is the greater burden to bear in your twilight years?
  6. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    what do you mean by "such people?" Just because your part of the south might be FUBAR it doesn't mean all of the south is. Zip codes matter everywhere you live in every place in the US and you know it.
    Please provide proof* that there are fewer "dysfunctional" families/individuals in gun friendly states than in states with tighter gun controls.

    * proof would not be your feelings, opinions, or anecdotal experiences
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  7. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    I'm sure he answered this already but the point of his remark is not the average Joe, it's the techniques used by political puppet masters. In the "thought leader" crowd there is a near perfect correlation between being anti-gun regulation, being a social conservative, and and being a tinfoil hat nutter about the evils of liberal-progressive-really-socialists-and-probably-communists.

    That's not saying all gun advocates are ALWAYS these things, but those who are these things are basically always also GRA
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  8. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    Well you can't say without knowing who the other candidate is. You're right in that he might be running against someone enough worse that it would compel you to vote for him.

    But a better test is the primaries. I'd move heaven and earth to see that such a man didn't get the nomination, thus problem solved.

    Which is what honorable Republicans should have done in '16
    They knew what they were doing - Lindsey Graham said out loud in the primary season "If we nominate Donald Trump we will be destroyed (as a party), and we will deserve it."
    And he was right, it just didn't happen that fall.
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  9. Forbin

    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

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    I wonder if Trump paid them all off. :corn:
  10. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    All Spaceturkey said was that if you can't hit something less than 20' away with ten shots was that the gun probably wasn't doing you much good anyway, and in the time it took to fire those ten shots, is no longer practical as your target is either long gone or on top of you.

    Not my fault that most of you soft little bitches can't defend yourselves with anything but a lethal tool.
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  11. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    Whatever happened to good old fisticuffs? :)
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  12. Forbin

    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

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    I don't want to be the one bringing fists to a gunfight.
    Also, I'm a 61-year-old office worker with sciatica and arthritis who can't even do a chin-up. The firearm seems the best bet.
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  13. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    God created men.

    Sam Colt made 'em equal.
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  14. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    it seems by your own description that you shouldn't bring anything to a fight...

    no matter though, as we were talking about burglary and castle doctrine. In which case, according to SHREPL, most "expert marksmen" like him are going to be too hyped on adrenaline and fear to hit at close range with up to ten tries.

    so maybe you're making an even stronger argument for not having accessible firearms in the home thna I ever have?

    What does "armchair Vigilante magazine" say on the subject?
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  15. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    Well quite. If ten bullets isn't enough maybe the gun isn't all that effective a tool in the first place?
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  16. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    I'm afraid the evidence suggests otherwise. With all due respect unless you are a 61 year old office worker with sciatica, arthritis and a statistically very unusually functional response to danger then the odds are that gun is at best ineffective, at worst an outright danger to you and yours.
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  17. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    pretty much... I mean, if I haven't contained an opponent in ten punches, I'm pretty much fucked being a 50ish construction worker and all the aches and pains that carries. If I face off in the first place, shaking with fear and adrenaline, I've already lost.
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  18. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    Most people are utterly useless when confronted with a violent situation they didn't choose. A gun does nothing to change that I'm afraid.
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  19. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    I just wonder where all those missed shots end up?

    There was a case here a few years back about a woman who wasn't even in the same apartment being struck by a missed shot taken by a cop and subsequently crippled. Drywall isn't known for it's anti ballistic properties.
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  20. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    "Its." :async:
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  21. Tererune

    Tererune Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    You are talking about people who always hear is it in yet whenever they fuck a person. I would say effective is not the word for their tool.
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  22. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    It's always better to have options than to not have options.

    And it's always better to have and not need, than to need and not have.
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  23. Forbin

    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

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    I know for a fact a .45 JHP won't go all the way thru a wall.
    The benefits of experimentation and study over hypotheticals. :async:
  24. Forbin

    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

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    You talk like there's always a choice.
    The gun is what gives people who can't fight hand-to-hand a chance when there IS no choice.
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  25. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    what type of wall?
    the uninsulated 3-1/2" space between two 1/2" sheets of drywall of an interior wall or an external 3/4" drywall, insulation, plywood, brick?

    how much "experimentation" in live exercise do you have? all you've brought up so far is having read theory based on others experiences. no indicator at all of your own competence.

    and no, I don't talk like there's always a choice... I'm talking about what's practical in a specified situation and environment... maybe practice outweighs theoretical study, hmm? SHREPL added the condition that you're too amped to shoot straight, so perhaps it's best that you just choose not to intervene.
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  26. Forbin

    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

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    Choose not to intervene when someone is attacking you?? How the fuck do you do that? :doh:
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  27. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    Nope, not when the evidence suggests having that option actually increases risk.
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  28. Forbin

    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

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    I think you're using evidence that's been questioned as being extremely biased.
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  29. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    Interior or exterior wall? :shrug: Generally a big difference in those. Another point..... pretty much any handgun round of sufficient power to use for self defense will go right through a car door. This was back in the day, maybe car doors are thicker now. I'm no car expert. That said if the bullet hits the mechanism in the door that rolls the windows up and locks the doors & whatnot there is no guarantee the round will whistle right through the door, or not get deflected at quite an angle. Regardless if you use a car as cover, try to keep behind the engine area - much less likely that a bullet will get through there.
    These are things they should teach in school rather than have somebody find out the hard way! :bergman: Also you can shoot the last section of metal threaded cleaning rods (the section where you thread the cloth patches) out the barrel of an M16 when you use blanks! :yes: Yes, it will indeed put an eye out.....or brain....or liver...or lung....etc.
    I don't think it's good for the M16 though. :nono:
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    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    My risk of being in a car accident increases tremendously whenever I get in a car, yet still I drive.

    Risk isn't the whole equation.
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