But pissed. So as of Monday (12/20) it will be illegal to own a firearms magazine that holds more than 10 rounds in the state on NJ. https://www.anjrpc.org/default.aspx Penalty: 4th degree crime - 18 months in prison and $10 fine per magazine, and loss of all gun rights. Options: Surrender your mags to the local police Permanently modify mags to block more than 10 rounds Sell 'em (legally) Store them - out of state with a friend is fine, or with an authorized in-state facility (for a fee). "Render inoperable" I just spent a few minutes in the basement with a heavy mallet, pretending my 12 & 15-shot mags were the NJ legislature. I knew this was coming, so I got extra 10-rd mags already. It's difficult to express the feeling of being deemed a 'potential criminal' by one's government, and ordered to destroy personal property based on unfounded fears, without due process. 'Resentment' doesn't even cover it. Have at it.
Sorry to hear your hobby has restrictions on it. I brew beer, but I would love to be able to distill spirits. I can't, because it's illegal and it's fucking dangerous. But somehow life moves on.
Yes, it is. You do realize that this applies to many groups, including many groups in which membership isn't voluntary, and that it also applies to everyone in the US (and no less here in Germany) ever since 9/11 at the latest?
I fear for my life! I'm standing my ground! *Shoots Forbin with a 10 round magazine* There, I've saved us all from a criminal! And ironically, I'm law abiding.
I'll be honest, I've no desire to be cruel here but there's nothing I can say to make you feel better and there are much more terrible things happening in the world than this. A lot of people are facing far far worse fates for much less justifiable reasons.
yep - it solves nothing. The people that are likely to "shoot up the joint" won't comply with the law, so X amount of bullets will still get sprayed in the same amount of time. But Forbin (who is a functioning member of society) will never use his weapons in a violent manner, so whether his gun can hold 10 rounds or 14 rounds (or 114 rounds if it were possible) is a moot point. But it helps gun control people feel better about themselves, so mission accomplished! Here's what I find funny (not "ha ha" funny) - in Georgia if I fatally shoot somebody and it's a cut-and-dried self defense situation I won't even spend 18 minutes behind bars. Yet Forbin could spend 18 months behind bars just for having the theoretical ability to make somebody 40 percent more dead than just regular dead. What a country!
Yes, of course there is. I think it's either 100 or 200 gallons. I don't get anywhere near that amount because I'm not a lunatic and I like to have other hobbies instead of obsessing over one. No, but there are restrictions on where I can drink them and how much I can drink before I'm not allowed to drive. Regardless, your questions are not analogous here. Forbin is talking about restrictions on magazine size, not the amount of ammo he can possess. Is there a maximum of how much ammo one can possess?
I think if it's easily reassembled, it's just as illegal. It has to be rendered permanently inoperable.
Actually, I think they're working on that restriction, yes. At the moment, there isn't. Tho the media tends to think anything more than a box or two is "an aresenal!!!@." They apparently can't grasp that for someone who goes shooting often, buying a case is simple economics - no different than going to Best Buy and buying a few cases of beer.
With all due respect to @Forbin, who by all the evidence seems to be a pretty decent chap, you can't know for sure he or anyone else "will never use his weapons in a violent manner", most people who commit mass shootings aren't known or career criminals, they're just you and I on the wrong day with the means in our hands. I don't say that lightly or just to score points, there really is no way to reliably predict who will commit a serious offence at some point in the future, after all if there were I'd be out of a job. The only way to robustly assess risk even in someone who's already committed such an offence is to combine a lot of very focused psychology input and what is often a trial and error process of medication with endless hours of 24/7 behavioural observations and have a multidisciplinary team dedicated to doing exactly that followed by a very careful process of positive risk taking. It's tedious and can take years if not decades before you are willing to stand in front of a judge and make a recommendation that person should be considered for discharge. Even then typically there's some degree of monitoring of that person and stringent recall conditions attached for the rest of their natural. As for Joe Bloggs on the street, mows his lawn, plays with the grandkids and attends church once a week? Not a chance you'd know ahead of time, literally anyone's a potential killer and that's what keeps me awake at night far more than the confirmed ones I deal with on a daily basis. The majority of them were you, I and Forbin right up until they proved otherwise and the real danger is how often no one sees it coming, not even themselves.
Also, I bruised and cut my hand while destroying my property. Thus complying with the law has caused more injuries than I ever would have otherwise.
For what it's worth, despite being on opposite sides of the political fence on this I do respect the dignity with which you are conducting yourself here. There are many others wouldn't (and probably won't) do themselves the same justice. Hope the hand's ok.
Why destroy them instead of sending them to someone in another state? If you don’t have any IRL friends or family who are gun owners there is Camp WF.
Pretty much. Its a feel good law that will accomplish as much as gun free zones have. Meanwhile, gun manufacturers will continue to leave blue states and head south, bringing jobs with them.
so spot - what percent of gun deaths in the US are the result of a "mass shooting"? Here's what one source claims (and a link of course): -- "Mass shootings represent a small share of total U.S. firearm homicides. Less than one percent of gun murder victims recorded by the FBI in 2010 were killed in incidents with four or more victims." -- "Assault weapons or high-capacity magazines were used in at least 12 of the incidents (28%). These incidents resulted in an average of 15.6 total people shot — 123% more people shot than in other incidents (7.0) and 8.3 deaths — 54% more deaths than in other incidents (5.4)." Another interesting find is that most of the cases studied here (40 percent) were the result of domestic violence. https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...t-gun-deaths-happen-outside-of-mass-shootings mass shootings get all the attention but happen with much less frequency. Every day across the US dozens of people die from gun deaths. The total is much, much higher than that of mass shootings. Dollars-to-donuts most of those deaths have nothing to do with magazine capacity. And 40 percent of gun deaths are the result of domestic violence. So let's say nerdy square respectable Forbin goes ape-shit and shoots his wife. Do you really think he'll use more than ten rounds? Spoiler alert.....he won't. Also many gun deaths are the result of suicide. I know a few folks who shot themselves and not a fucking one of them got off more than one shot (go figure) before they expired. So whether people have 10 round or 15 round magazines there is less than a one percent chance of it making a bit of difference. Will you sleep better now?
I didn't pass the law dude, just made an observation about any argument which equates mass shootings with more mundane criminality. One is generally committed by the criminals, the other is more commonly in the domain of the otherwise law abiding. I know it's a tiny percentage, but rightly or wrongly this law seems distinctly aimed at those mass shootings. What would keep me awake at night more than anything else would be the type of incidents I do deal with being escalated from mostly manual forms of violence to the mass shootings we are discussing. Both are statistically rare but the difference in severity would be troubling, at the moment there's rarely more than one life lost.
You can buy beer at Best Buy? Next time I need a new TV or other electronics, I'll have to pick up some beer while I'm there.
Those AR mags ARE 10 rounders...for my .50 beowulf. But seriously, just dont comply. I doubt your gun range has a guy counting how many shots you fire, just load 10 if they do, or load up all the way and contest the law in court. It won't past constitutional muster.
I'm sure it won't pass Constitutional muster, but I don't think Forbin has 500,000 dollars in lawyer fees and lost wages to find out!
To be fair you’re not allowed to brew spirits because you can really fuck up and kill people. Now I know you’re going to do your typical mealy-mouth spiel about how guns are just as dangerous and you would be right. Guns are a dangerous hobby. But explain to me how telling Forbin he can’t have a 12 round magazine and now can only have a 10 round magazine in any way makes a difference. How does a two round difference accomplish anything other than to harass current owners of said magazines? It’s already been shown that previous mass shooters are not deterred from such magazine restrictions. They know how to reload.
