Malaysian Airlines 777 with 239 Aboard Missing

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  1. enlisted person

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    They are saying the flight was "deliberately diverted". I am trying to think in what context the flight could be diverted 600 miles in another direction and it not be deliberate.
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    Judge Jeanine (fist of an angry god BTW) has a retired AF colonel on explaining how the pilot had a history of letting folks into the cockpit.
    Any bad guys/gals with bad intent can charm their way into the cockpit, take over and do their thing. He also said everyone with aviation background knew it was deliberate within 24 hours, due to lack of emergency signals and so forth. He explained that Malaysians don't have the western mindset,
    so things won't happen as efficiently as they should. Sadly he thinks the jet never made it to wherever they were bound and are in Davy Jones locker.
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    600? That's one hour. If it flew on for seven as suspected, try 5000.
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  4. enlisted person

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    I think I left a zero off there. If they back the speed down on that jet to maximize fuel, and if they are smart people and already thought it out, they could have went on past the area that they suspect.
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    The actual possible range very spaced on so many factors. When speed, direction of the wind, altitude, speed, wait. I suppose that a really sophisticated hijacking even have the hijackers dump the luggage out to increase the range. Really sick hijackers might even dump people out especially if the purpose of hijacking was to grab a select person or persons.. I could even see a scenario like that being done improperly leading to the loss of the plane.

    If this was full of errors, I apologize-this was dictated by Siri while driving. I absolutely did not look at the screen.
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    Oddly, that last paragraph was perfect. I think Siri has a weird sense of humor.
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    Imagine if they were smart enough to take it to an unlikely location to just land and get off the plane. It's 4000 miles or so to Antarctica. Land there near the coast and get on a Chinese, Russian, Iranian, Submarine.
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    Whatever first happens to pass by going their way?
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  10. oldfella1962

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    "Najib confirmed that Malaysian air force defense radar picked up traces of the plane turning back westward, crossing over Peninsular Malaysia into the northern stretches of the Strait of Malacca. Authorities previously had said this radar data could not be verified.

    The air force has yet to explain why it didn't spot and respond to the plane flying over the country. Satellite data suggested the plane flew for at least 7 1/2 hours -- more than six hours after the last radio contact." - Fox news article

    Well, this explains how a plane can deviate from it's path and not be noticed. It will indeed be noticed, but it takes 7 -1/2 hours to respond. And this was the military sense of urgency. I can imagine how the "give a shit" meter registers among the civilian radar in that part of the world.
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    As for the passengers, is anyone else considering that who ever was flying the plane could have climbed to 30,000 ft, deprrssurized the cabin, turned off the oxygen to the emergency system, thus taking care of the "what to do with the cargo" question.
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    Eh, its the obvious thing if they were worried about the passengers reacting to what was going on.
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    After reading about the pilot and his political beliefs and him being upset his guy went to prison I'm thinking the pilot beat the co-pilot to death, killed the passengers and flew the plane in a way to make it very hard to find in order to embarrass Malaysia and then crashed it somewhere in the Indian Ocean.

    At least that's what I hope happened.

    The plane had enough range to reach as far as Africa. I'd hate for the passengers to be suffering as hostages.

    Or even worse the passengers are dead and the plane really was stolen to be used in a terrorist attack of some type.
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    Or, maybe the passengers pulled a "let's roll".
    I mean, come on, one guy against a whole plane?
    What's he got, a mini-gun?
    :shrug:
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    I read speculation elsewhere about the plane climbing to 45,000 feet: Apparently the pilots' oxygen masks are rated for that altitude while the passenger masks are only rated for 25,000 feet.

    Dunno if that's legitimate or more bullshit speculation.
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    Which doesn't make much sense since cruising altitude is 30000-38000 ft.
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    Could be true, wouldn't know without looking at the specs. Entirely possible though, part of procedure on loss of cabin pressure would be to descend to a safe altitude immediately, so the masks only need to be able to keep passengers alive for a few minutes on descent.
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    No, something more diabolical - a lock on the cockpit door. That pretty much shuts down anything the passengers can do.
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    Damn.

    This shit is getting crazy.

    Scooby-Doo crazy.

    And that's one of the best theories so far as it could actually be done.
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    awesome! And it falls in line with somebody very experienced in ATC and aviation procedures (like maybe a pilot?) hijacking their own jet.
    Still, with the digital radar I work with I believe that unless you were right on somebody's ass, there would be two returns (blips if you will) with the legitimate bird's transponder squawking data (tail number, altitude, etc) and the second blip with nothing. This could be (again I don't know the exact radar everyone uses)
    misenterpreted as a "ghost" return - a double image of the same bird and nothing to get excited about.

    Whoever planned and executed this tragedy seriously had their shit together. And it's been duly noted that this flight may have been picked up via military/civilian radar all along the way...but nobody did shit with the information. Aviation standards are not the same in the Third World. All pilots must speak English.....and that's where the similiarities stop.
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    Rupert Murdoch has been showing how sane he isn't with his theories posted via Twitter.
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    Oh, I'm sure you'd be able to rationalize it away just fine.
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    I am thinking they went low and slow to hide the plane in the ground clutter of radar. The passengers can't get into the cabin. 9/11 took care of that. The question is not where is the plane, but who has the people. Who would want a stolen passenger jet, they don't bring much on ebay and chop shops prefer smaller vehicles.
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    Stolen passenger jets bring big money.

    Parts as well.

    The passengers are dead. Either the plane finally crashed in the ocean or the pilot killed the passengers by flying at 45,000 feet and depressurizing the plane or whoever has them killed them.
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    Cue the James Bond theme.
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    Parts perhaps, but whole jets? Who buys a stolen passenger jet, and where do they use it?