Marijuana nearly doubles the risk of collisions

Ex-squeeze me?
Did you just imply that I'm a backstabber, thief, and a kiddie fiddler?

That does go a little far, doesn't it? Everyone who's ever observed somebody high on pot know that they can't peel their asses off the couch until they come down.

Marijuana is illegal mainly because of [GOOGLE]Harry J. Anslinger[/GOOGLE] and [GOOGLE]William Randolph Hearst[/GOOGLE]. And it had nothing to do with the lack of an accurate high-o-meter.

And you're spot-on there. Still, marijuana, if enjoyed for more than say one puff, progressively grows closer and closer to alcoholic inebriation in effect, and shortly surpasses it. So should it be legal? Absolutely. Through liquor stores. It should also be subject to DUI laws, because yes, it does affect fine motor control and response time just like alcohol does.

Restrictions for driving while high? Sounds good to me.

Yet as I posted earlier to Elwood - "A practical consideration yet the freedom to use marijuana shouldn't depend upon law enforcement's ability to accurately determine just how high a motorist might be."


Also I don't think marijuana affects fine motor control or judgment like alcohol does. There's an easy, safe, and fun way to test out this theory. All you need is bud, brew, and your favorite racing sim.

First log some lap times sober, then enjoy your favorite adult beverage to excess and give it another go. Repeat the next day but substitute bud for booze.

Repeat as necessary to verify your results.

There is a simple message here. If you are under the influence of ANY drug that impairs "your" cognition, whether it be alcohol or weed, STAY THE FUCK OFF THE ROAD!

There's an even simpler message as well, don't drive after/while engaging in a behavior that inhibits your ability to operate a motor vehicle.

Yeah. I need to stick my hand in a fire to know it's hot.

Ex-squeeze me? You've already forgotten the topic of this thread. It was a study about people under the impairment of marijuana doing stupid things while under the influence. I didn't call you any of those things. I do agree with the conclusion that people are more likely to pick up their car keys or engage in other risky behaviors that can harm other people.

Well, with a sweeping generalization of those of us who are regular smokers, how should I take it?

That aside, the conclusion is wrong. Cannabis doesn't encourage stupidity... not in comparison to say, being a stupid teenager in the first place. Definitely not in comparison to beign a stupid teenager who's had a dozen beers and a couple viocodins.

Yes, it is often present during a DUI incident. But you may as well blame the marinade for your steak being overcooked.

Actually, Skin's already done that just for chuckles. And yes, the effects are indeed similar. Not identical, let's make note, but similar. Response time while high is definitely diminished at a rate comparable to alcoholic inebriation.

Gee, I never got 'drunk' off weed.

Just stop talking!! You're fucking stupid!

And the fact that you appear to be unable to differentiate between "x resembles the effects of y" and "x is exactly the same thing as y" proves Skin's point, ya fuckin' stoner.

Awwww, now don't be paranoid, stoner. actormike would never cheat on you like that.

Wow. You start stepping on some people's sacred "toes" and they not only start posting but they really, really start posting some dumb stuff. Who knew Mewa was that much of a worshipper at the Ganja temple.

That's you.

No, fucking stupid is assuming your experience is everyone's experience.

MJ is the same as any drug...it will have different effects for different folks due to a long list of variables.

For example, Vicodin is a very helpful drug for me as it lessens pain and helps me sleep like a baby. My mother, on the other hand, gets paranoid and pukes her guts out for hours with no relief in sight.

I've had friends on weed who were high as a kite, giggling and acting silly, others were half-awake planted to the couch having philosophical debates about Star Wars politics and others had little to no effect at all that was obvious. Metabolism, mood, amount taken in, type of weed, did they drink as well? size, weight and health status....all kinds of variables.

Some folks would be fine driving...some folks should never touch a car...but you need to default to the lowest denominator for safety's sake. It's just not that hard to use your brain and not toke when you're going to be driving later.

Thing Skin would like to mention -- a guy who takes in a bowl or a joint every weekend, or even just a nip a night, is to a stoner what a guy who likes a glass of whiskey every weekend, or a shot a night, is to a drunk. Skin and Uncle Albert (as far as UA has made apparent) like to indulge, but Skin wouldn't say we're stoners. The way Mewa makes his consumption sound, definitely a stoner.

Not that anybody should see judgmental thinking in that. Everybody's got a vice they indulge too much. Skin would have to regretfully cop to being a drunk, right at the moment, and Skin's gonna work on that. Maybe Mewa should think about working on his habit. Or not, hey, it's only a suggestion.

Ok, Grandpa. Is your copy of "Reefer Madness" on 8mm, or have you figured out how to use a VHS player yet?

I think the thing most of the non tokers miss is that there's a very distinct line of personal awareness when one is smoking weed. At the tenth beer, a drunk will claim to be fine as he stumbles to the car. At the tenth spliff during that same party, the stoner is laughing about how his keys make a pleasing jingling noise.

Yes. A friend of mine no longer smokes because it made him violently paranoid. He used different strains from different suppliers over the course of two or three years. All with the same result.

On a related note: why is what a UFC fighter does in his free time even an issue? Situation is Nick Diaz is in trouble because after a fight he tested positive for.....weed!

http://www.mmashareforum.com/seriou...fails-drug-test-from-condit-fight-t52388.html

WTF? Not steroids....not growth hormone.....not stimulants.....not ANYTHING that would enhance his performance in any way, shape or form.

Add to this he LOST the fight! So he's in trouble for smoking a substance that has no positive effect on his performance? He's not controlling air traffic/driving an 18 wheeler/practicing brain surgery/etc. He gets in a cage and fights one other person, then goes home either a winner or a loser. Will he go crazy and attack his opponent? NEWSFLASH - THAT'S HIS JOB!

Again, if he had alcohol in his blood and goat jizz on his lips after the fight, nobody would say shit. But at some point recently he has smoked weed.

See, now that's just wrong of them. Here's an idea: treat weed like booze, in all respects. So the guy sparked up a joint or roasted a bowl. Hell, say he smoked until he was flat assed on his couch until the next morning. Big fuckin' whoop, nobody's issue but his own. Long as he goes to work sober, does his job, shouldn't be any nanny fuckers trying to butt in.

I can kind of see the UFC point - trying to keep the sport a legitimate, professional, law abiding, safe franchise. And technically weed is illegal, and Nevada is not California when it comes to weed laws. Diaz and his brother (also an MMA fighter) have no doubt been smoking in California for many years prior to getting into the sport.

The UFC does keep it's fighters on a short leash, and Dana White (UFC President) will not piss off Nevada considering they make gazillions of dollars staging most of the major fights there.

Suspending fighters is extreme, but if you really want the job bad enough, you have to adjust your partying habits accordingly.

I'm betting they play up the "safety" factor of it somehow, like giving fighters the boot if they lose too many fights/get knockout out too often or otherwise show signs that their skills are degrading and could get permanently injured.

Funny. Where are your studies showing how every single person under the influence reacts exactly the same way? At least I brought a study to the table with some science behind it.

Tamar did a good job of boiling it down, too. People react differently to different drugs.

Meanwhile, I'll wait for your headline to show up right next to Whitney Houston's. I'm sure she had it under control, too.

Someone should smoke out Bock and then go driving around with him.

Does 30 years of close up observation qualify my opinion that 99/100 people are going to react roughly the same as each other?

Besides, most of her issues were prescription and other chemicals... one thing weed will not do is turn you into a trainwrecked diva.

Scary thing is, it might turn you into this guy




He's what? 80?

Bullshit. It's because prohibition is more profitable to everyone with a say in its status, and because of a successful propaganda campaign to have all controlled substances perceived as equally evil and scary.

I am assuming this thread is still retarded. But can someone please tell me if "If you talk on a phone while driving I will rape your family Albert" is for or against driving stoned?

And other than alcohol, the most abused drugs are:
prescription drugs! Think about it - some celebrity or politician gets addicted to painkillers, sleeping pills, diet pills etc. and they don't get painted with the broad brush of "druggie". Just sayin'

Harry J. Anslinger and William Randolph Hearst weren't responsible so much as they were working on the behalf of DuPont. I've heard all of this crap a million times from my deadbeat father about the secret conspiracy against pot. Even though it is likely correct, it has very little to do with why pot is still illegal and doesn't detract from my original point at all.

So you're in favor of dropping BAC requirements for drunk driving statutes?