MCU phase 5.

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  1. Diacanu

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    Really? I wish I could feel what you're feeling.
    The whole thing left me with that morose "friends drift in and out of your life like busboys" line at the end of "Stand By Me".
    Little animals are tortured, a planet is genocided, the villain lives, the group drifts apart, it all just left me with a "ehhhh...:(" feeling.
    There wasn't enough joy to offset the gloom for me.
    I had to antidote it with some Trek.
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    It felt like “What We Left Behind “ to me. Bittersweet, yes, but a solid ending and it left me with a better taste in my mouth than “Mirror Image “ or “These Are the Voyages.” At least Rocket gets to be Raccoon daddy, Peter gets to see his family, Groot and Rocket stay together. I guess it’s more akin to Cheers ending.
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  3. Diacanu

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    Hmm, yeah, I guess I can see that.
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  5. Diacanu

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    If they change his lightning bolt to a clover, and call him Shmarry Shmotter, they're good to go.
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  6. We Are Borg

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    The Avengers (first film, Infinity War and Endgame) would like a word with you.

    Also, the three Tom Holland Spider-Man films (yes, they're Sony but they're still official MCU) are also waiting to speak to you.
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    Oh wow how cool.
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    And because Vader saved Luke, it made up for him vaporizing at least one planet and choking to death a bunch of people. :dayton:

    I want to know WTF are they going to get to play Tony Stark? Because Robert Downey, Jr was pretty much the guy to play Stark. I mean, shit, I haven't followed Marvel comics with any level of seriousness since the 80s but when I heard the RDJ was going to be Tony Stark I was almost all fucking in on the concept. Then, when I saw the OT trailer, you know, this one:

    I was like, "Oh, shit. Somebody really gets it." And goddamned, did that movie deliver. So, who, in the current crop of 30-something Hollywood actors can match RDJ in that role because they've lived it?
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    Really? And every time Superman is resurrected, do that undermine his sacrifice?

    I … kinda … understand Freddie Prinze Jr.’s declaration regarding Kanan Jarus. But, comic books? This is not the first time a comic franchise had been rebooted. It’s not the same.
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    RDJ did a great job as Tony Stark. I was a little jealous of Pepper Potts in the first 3 movies. But, honestly 20+/- years later, I realize he’s just playing himself as he sees himself. And that is not a good look for anyone. It was kinda like Bruce Willis back in the 90s. He started believing they hype about himself.

    If this next Tony Stark isn’t up to snuff, eventually, another one will.
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    He was perfect for this kind of Tony Stark. But there are certainly other versions of Tony Stark that have been or could be. They didn't ever go full on "Demon in a Bottle" Tony as an alcoholic, and maybe they never will because that is not family friendly, money magnety. But I would love to see a grittier, grimier Tony that is to RDJ's Tony what Joaquin Phoenix's Joker is to Jack Nicholson's. (Even though I didn't really enjoy that Joker movie.)

    There's a revamp that has a 20- or 30-something Tony instead of a 50-something one.

    Even if the powers that be agree that Tony Snark is the best type of Tony, a pale imitation of RDJ would still be pretty good.
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  16. Raoul the Red Shirt

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    Realistically, there is eventually going to be a reboot that will allow Disney/Marvel to have new movies with Captain America and Iron Man (and T'Challa Black Panther, and whoever else you want to name). Whether it's 5-10 years, or 30, or 60, some exec is going to say "Hey, remember how we made a gazillion dollars back in the day with those movies? No reason we should not go to that well again, now that time has passed and we can have the kids who grew up on those movies with kids of their own, and we've got even better special effects."
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    Frankly in 30 years AI will have become so good that you can just recreate the original actors and really hit all the nostalgia buttons.
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  18. Diacanu

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    Unless Donald Trump becomes emperor, and bans Hollywood.
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  19. Steal Your Face

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    Yeah I'm specifically talking about the MCU as it exists now.
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    And they will *all* be in their 20s - 30s. Or even high school.
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  21. Raoul the Red Shirt

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    That's the point. The MCU was and is a bold experiment. But there is no way that the powers that be would just let the NCU run its course and let characters die permanently or actors age out/retire/hold too much sway over the studio forever. Not when inherent in the notion of comics in general there is a concept of reboots, and specifically in the MCU there is the concept of a multiverse. At some point, the MCU as it exists now will be completely different or abandoned. Whether it is within five years with Secret Wars, whether it remains nominally the MCU but with many different actors and rebooted origins, I'm not sure. But it is inevitable that at some point, there will be an Iron Man who was not rooted in a 2008 terrorist attack.
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    Are you familiar with how comic books work? Unless it's original characters in a limited series, everything gets undermined eventually. If a comic runs long enough, the bad guys always come back, the dead heroes always get resurrected, the characters always get reset more or less to the status quo.

    The only way for the MCU to avoid that curse of comic book storytelling is if it shuts down forever, and there's no way they're doing that so long as the films still make money. :shrug:
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    I'm wondering who is the most major superhero in the comics who has not died or "died", been replaced or been a replacement, undergone a major power shift/loss, gone evil or mentally unstable, or had some other radical change only to have the reset button hit.
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  24. Diacanu

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    They never took back Henry Pym being a wife beater.
    In fact, the Ultimates universe made him worse.
    The MCU is technically the first reboot of him back to a good guy.

    Uncle Ben and Captain Stacy have not only stayed dead, their perpetual doom is a plot point in "Across The Spider-verse".
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  25. Raoul the Red Shirt

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    Hank Pym definitely went mentally unstable, though. The whole Yellowjacket thing being a split personality.

    I'm guessing that Miles will figure out a way so that he doesn't in fact have to have a police captain die, and to show the whole notion of relative dying as a precondition to a Spider-Man is BS.
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    http://jimshooter.com/2011/03/hank-pym-was-not-wife-beater.html/

    Jim Shooter says Hank was never a wife beater, and it was all the artists fault for drawing it like that.

    I think they've also tried to retcon it in-universe as an accident that occured while he struggled with mental illness. :chris:
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    So now Dickynoo has to apologize to both Hank Pym and Seth Rogen for spreading misinformation.
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    In the 80s, Pym was a veritable basket case of mental illness. He created Ultron 6 just to fuck with the Avengers, and this was after doing all kinds of horrific shit to them in the previous issue, was “cured” and then made Ultron. At that point, I quit reading them because it was always, “How’s Pym going to fuck with them this issue?”
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  29. Diacanu

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    We kind of got Fucky-Pym in "What If?".
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