Muad Dib High School???? WTF

It's not actually called KKK High School.
I'm guessing until this was brought up the vast majority of the kids didn't give a shit who Bedford Forrest was.
Changing the name won't increase student performance - or lower it, so if they want to change the name why not I guess.

Lots of other places change names, hell even countries do it.

I'm less concerned with the name of a school than I am with the fact that I pay to send other peoples' kids there.

Now that I think of it, there was a stupid art class I had to take in middle school. This airhead teacher decided to call it the "Krazy Kreations Klass" and refer to it frequently by the acronym. Nobody said shit about it at the time, but I imagine it's been changed by now. Otherwise there'd be marches and candlelight vigils.

Al Sharpton is the same as the founder of the KKK.

You heard it here first, folks.

You've been on this board for a long time. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson must be the most hated people around here.

While I don't like either of those guys at all, I wouldn't put them on the same level as the founder of the KKK.




They've only lynched MLK's dream, not actual people.

I'm sure you get the analogy.

Like Alabama putting the Confederate Flag over the Capital in response to the Civil Rights Movement, the fact that this was only done to remind blacks that even with the Feds forcing civil rights on the states, that whites still run shit, the name change was petty and racist. I would have no problems changing it back to its pre-1959 name.

In my world, she'd be one of the ones impaled on a katana.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Bedford_Forrest#Continuing_controversies

I for one am shocked SHOCKED that a Confederate Heritage org was packed with a bunch of racists.

wouldn't Louis Farrakahn Memorial be closer?

And proud!!

hmm

so are there many Malcolm X Middle Schools that you know of?

No middle schools but a couple of HS's and a college.

Oh, and she was just painfully dumb. There's a reason they had her out in one of the auxiliary trailers they had for extra classroom space, watching us make collages out of magazine pictures. Your tax dollars at work, folks!

The name of my high school begins with a K.

For years, the drama department was referred to as the "K______ Kurtain Klub".

You do the math.


A typical morning PA announcement: "There will be a 'KKK' one-act play rehearsal this afternoon in the auditorium."

There's redemption, and then there's naming a school after someone.

I look at this and I'm just

Hey if Hitler was alive, you could hire him to care for your elderly parents.




Would you give Ted Bundy a second chance?

Black Dove can send his kids to Ted Bundy High School.

FTFY

Without looking it up, I think that was his speech to the Jubilee of the Pole Bearers, which was one of the early Civil Rights organizations.

The Pole Bearers presented Gen. Forrest with a bouquet of flowers and Forrest kissed the cheek of the young black girl who presented them to him. A white man kissing a black female on the cheek in public was something that was unheard of in those days.

The truth is that Nathan Bedford Forrest was light years ahead of most people, North or South, on civil rights for blacks at that time.

During the war, he recruited 28(?) black slaves as soldiers in his personal escort. Forrest's Escort basically served as his personal guard and special forces. He told them that if the South won, he'd free them and if the North won, they'd be free anyway. All but one surrendered with him at the end of the war and he said of them, "Better Confederates never served." That's also another piece of the puzzle that shows that blacks did serve as combat soldiers in the Confederate army.

Contrary to the OP, Nathan Bedford Forrest was not a founder of the Klan. It would be more accurate to say that the Klan found him.

You also have to keep in mind that the 1865 Klan was apples and oranges to the 20th century Klan.

At the end of the war, there was a complete breakdown of law and order in the South. The fighting age male populations of many communities were virtually wiped out. Companies and regiments on both sides in the CW were formed locally, so when a company or regiment was killed off, the community they came from just lost 100-1000 men. Many times, there was no one to serve as the sheriff, or they could not seat a judge, and sometimes they could not seat 12 men for a jury.

The South was under military occupation, but the Union army rarely made efforts to maintain law and order and in fact often encouraged lawlessness.

The 1865 Klan formed to fill that void and try to restore law and order in the South, particularly in Tennessee where Governor Brownlow was whipping the loyalists into a frenzy and they were beating and killing former Confederates on a daily basis. The Klan also attempted to run the carpetbaggers out and help Southerners keep their farms and homes.

You pretty much had to be a thief, rapist, murderer, crook, bushwhacker, or a carpetbagger to get a visit from them. It didn't matter what color you were. Some blacks were visited by the Klan but that was in response to some criminal act they had committed. Whites were more often visited by the 1865 Klan and for the same reasons.

By 1870, 5 years into a failed and horrible Reconstruction that was probably worse than the war itself, the Klan was beginning to turn a bit racist and a bit too violent, so Forrest himself disbanded it.

And that was the end of it. The Ku Klux Klan no longer existed. Kaput!

What emerged around 1920 was an entirely new Ku Klux Klan that was a bit of a social and political movement and a product of the Progressive movement at the time. As much as you modern day Progressives might deny it, the modern KKK has its origins in your philosophies, not the Conservatives.

But back to Forrest, anybody who thinks he was a racist and had any connections to the modern day Klan is an idiot. You flat don't know shit about Forrest.

From Muad Dib

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

Sheeeesh!!! Fucking Klan apologist!! Only bad black people were harassed.

Do you have any historical idea why that happened?

I will tell you.

It was part of that failed Reconstruction. The Yankees disenfranchised white voters and gave gave blacks the right to vote in the Southern states. Nothing wrong with that, right? Except blacks still were not allowed to vote in the Northern states. Disenfranchised whites couldn't vote or hold office, but blacks could and did, and they did what their new masters, the Union military governors, told them to do.

The Yankees also committed a fair amount of election fraud to make it happen.

Once Reconstruction was over, that's why whites had to take back their local governments and congressional representation and then hang on to them.

FTFY

Knowing historical facts is not apologism.

The great businessman, Nathan Bedford Forrest.

How bout defending criminal vigilantes?

Yes, Nathan Bedford Forrest was a slaveowner and a slave trader. Do you think you are telling me something I don't know?

The Klan is so misunderstood, you guys.

That depends on what your definition of the word "criminal" is.

Frankly, if the Union army and the military governors had done their jobs properly, there would never have been a Ku Klux Klan because there would not have been a need for for one.