Muad Dib High School???? WTF

Learning doesn't absolve you.

And I notice you're no longer trying to float some horse shit about me keeping tabs on people.

One can redeem oneself of most of one's past mistakes.
I'm not so sure one can, or should be forgiven for cold blooded murder.

When Faith killed the deputy mayor, she thought he was a vampire, so she had an excuse, except she didn't care. She may have been able to be redeemed for that on a technicality, except for her attitude.

When she killed that demon to get the books, well, he was a demon. He wasn't an evil demon, though. Gray area. But she still may have been able to be forgiven for that.

But she killed that poor old Volcanology professor, in cold blood, to please her boss, and she enjoyed it. There's no coming back from that. I don't care that she wanted redemption after that, I don't care that she turned herself in, I don't care that she dedicated herself to The Good Fight after that. Ask the volcanologist if he forgives her.

I'd still fuck 'er though.

Xena, Warrior Princess was a bad guy, but she repented. So did Angel.

Seriously, though, a case could be made that someone who was wrong or did terrible things and then realized the error of his ways is arguably more noble than someone who never did. I mean, which is more impressive: for a former slave owner to come out for equal rights for blacks or for Mewa to?

Yeah, too bad they needed to roll back emancipation and such. At least the Klan put things right soon enough.

You're making the PNW sound kind of lame.

From Muad Dib

They CHOSE to ride with Forrest.

45 black combat soldiers. And not one died in battle. Amazing.

He freed them. And what exactly were they supposed to do....just say bye-bye and walk off??? Gimme a friggin' break!

Muad Dib defends this fucker like his life depends on it. Dang!!

Roll back emancipation? WTF are you talking about? Do you even know?

The 1865 Klan was about law and order in the midst of a lot of lawlessness. The South had been the site of a war for four years and in many areas was incapable of a civilian justice system. If you are going to be an occupying force whether it's in the South, Europe, Japan, Iraq, Afghanistan or wherever, then your military has to provide that law enforcement until the civilians can. Many people's homes had been destroyed, food and livestock stolen, crops destroyed, the fields had been oiled, people were hungry. With all of the corruption of the Union army and the Radical Republicans, it was a ripe situation for a breakdown of law and order.

Your trolling like your usual dumbass self. How does my life depend on defending Forrest?

Fucking drama queen.

Hey, did you know that the 1865 Nazi's were humanitarians?

Yup!

Yeah, the occupying troops were protecting the freedmen's rights. Something had to be done.

This is the very first time that I have heard that the Klan were good guys.

Wow. Just wow!

Muad's position is pretty untenable here. Basically, he's so wrapped up in the "noble cause," that he can see no evil. Sure, there were issues besides slavery, and maybe there were some slave owners who weren't racist. But he denies even the most egregious examples because he wants the war to be righteous. He sees an heroic army of Mal Reynolds talking about the losing cause not being the wrong cause. But for some reason, he has no room for the idea that some of those guys were fuckos.

There are no doubt, Klan members amongst those Civil War actors. Especially in the Confederate bunch.

Oh, God. You're still a whiney assed little drama queen.

They did some good things and they did some bad things. Like I said upthread, Forrest disbanded the Klan because it was growing too violent.

It got violent while he was Grand Wizard.

Wait, while he was Grand Wizard it was just a little violent. But when they step it up...under his leadership...he decides he wants to disband it.

Thanks.

Forrest did not disband the KKK.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

Forrest got out before he could be brought to trial.

Forget it Mewa, that wasn't the same group of terrorists as the '20s group of terrorists.

Angel didn't do bad things, Angelus did.

Even if there is truth to the idea of Forrest turning right what once went wrong:

A)He's still going to be remembered as the guy that stated the KKK, or else the district wouldn't have picked that particular name on the even of school desegregation

b) It's kind of liek when Stan "Tookie" Williams got sent to prison after singlehanded being responsible for gang warfare and folks were all like "Aww, he wrote books about gangs are bad! " And I don't see people here trying to give him a free pass for everything that led up to that. Nor, should they.

Seattle is happening. The desert, not so much. Unless you like whisky and fucking demo derby!!

Must... resist.... Yakima... joke...

Who's the principal of Maude Dib H.S.?

YAKIMA IS THE VALLEY OF THE DAMNED. ITS NOWHERE NEAR SPOKANE.

Baba