Never say never: Trump under investigation for obstruction of justice...

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  1. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

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    You're right, we should not enforce laws because who's to say who will be charged with crimes in the future.

    :dayton:

    You're literally advocating anarchy.
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  2. Quincunx

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    And that point just so happens to be when it's your guy in office? :dayton:

    If you don't want your president removed from office, don't elect a criminal, at least not one stupid enough to shoot himself in the dick at the crime scene and get caught red handed. Pretty simple.
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  3. steve2^4

    steve2^4 Aged Meat

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    I think he's advocating a crime syndicate. Which might be more honest than what we have.
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  4. Tuckerfan

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    If there's "big stuff," then the President should be removed from office. It's that simple.

    And regardless of if Trump is removed from office, or manages to serve his full term(s), things like this are going to keep happening. Trump's campaign opened Pandora's Box and unleashed ugliness upon the political landscape. Even if he had lost, we'd still be facing these same kinds of issues. This is the new American reality, so you'd better get used to it, because it's probably going to be with us for a very long time to come.
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  5. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    Besides, if anyone un-asses Trump, it's going to be the Republicans. I don't see them seeking revenge against the Dems for something they did themselves...but I could be wrong.
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  6. Dayton Kitchens

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    No I'm not.

    We are a nation of laws. Not of men.

    But laws exist to serve men. Not the other way around. The what tens of millions of people of a nation want and believe should be taken into account.
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  7. steve2^4

    steve2^4 Aged Meat

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    Dayton, we are a nation under god, indivisible with justice and liberty for all. I think you're confused.
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  8. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    Dayton, I don't think you understand. Comey said he was never pressured to stop the investigation into what Russia did during the '16 election. Nobody is implying or assuming Trump tried to do that. The alleged obstruction comes from when Trump tried to get Comey to let Flynn off the hook, and possibly Comey's firing its self.
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    That's exactly what the Trump Administration feels like. And an incompetent imbecile one at that.
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  10. Dayton Kitchens

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    As Alan Dershowitz famous legal scholar and politically hard left liberal has said.

    It cannot be "obstruction of justice" when a president does what he is constitutionally allowed to do.

    And President Trump regardless of motives or intent had the authority to fire Comey.
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  11. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    Well, that's why I said "possibly". :shrug:

    Either way, I'm just telling you what the "obstruction" talk is about and what it isn't.
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    We've been over this. Dershowitz has been hanging out with Trump at Mar-a-Lago. They've got a lot of mutual friends, and his opinions on this matter are suspect to say the least.
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  14. Dayton Kitchens

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    So he stopped being one of the foremost legal minds in the country just because he is friends with President Trump?

    Talk about Trump Derangement Syndrome........
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    Trump outright admitted he was thinking about the Russia investigation when he fired Comey, and went on to tell the Russian ambassador that firing Comey "lifted a weight." It's pathetic how far you're willing to go to defend Trump. :shrug:
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  16. Dayton Kitchens

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    And that means nothing.

    Give it up. the President had full constitutional authority to fire Comey. It did not matter whether it was because Comey was a bungler, Comey was investigating Trump, or Trump didn't like Comey's haircut. Full authority is full authority.
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  17. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    Comey said as much. :shrug: That's not the only thing though.
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    I have full authority to fire my employees as well, but if I do so because they won't blow me, that's probably a crime. :shrug:
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  19. Dayton Kitchens

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    And once again.

    It doesn't matter why President Trump fired Comey. He had the full constitutional authority to do so regardless of his motives.

    President Trump could've said outright to Comey "I'm dismissing you because I want to prevent you from investigating my involvement with the Russians and I hope this will end the investigation".........and he still would've been within his authority.
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  20. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    And once again. Comey said as much.

    Why are you so hyper focused on reinforcing something I'm not disagreeing with? :wtf:
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  21. Dayton Kitchens

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    Well obviously you can't fire someone for having good taste.
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    Here's where you (and Dershowitz, the attention-seeking clown) are wrong:

    Trump does have full authority to fire Comey. That is why Comey is no longer FBI director, and will not be reinstated. Trump fired him and he will stay fired, because Trump was within his authority to do so.

    Trump does not have any authority to obstruct justice. If Comey's firing was part of an effort to obstruct justice, that is still a serious legal issue for which the president will have to answer. You're trotting out the same old Nixonian argument that the president's authority is absolute and unrestrained. It is not.
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    Happy trumpmas.
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  24. Dayton Kitchens

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    If the president does what he had the constitutional authority to do then how can it be obstruction of justice?
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    What about Trump ushering everyone but Comey out of a room and then pressuring him to quit investigating Flynn?
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    A.) Calling him "foremost" is debatable.

    B.) His close association with Trump does make his comments on the subject suspect. Humans frequently allow their feelings for other people blind them to what's reality.

    C.) That Trump had the authority to fire Comey isn't the question. His reasons for the firing are. If he thought that by firing Comey, he'd stop the investigation into Flynn's connections with Russia, then that is obstruction of justice. Is he guilty? I don't know.

    Says the guy who claims he didn't vote for Trump, but constantly trips over himself coming to Trump's defense.
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    Because the firing and the obstruction are separate issues. The firing by itself is completely legal, it's the pattern of behavior and chain of events surrounding it that constitute obstruction. Comey's dismissal is just one piece of a large puzzle.

    Oh, and you can stew on this for a while too: if Trump had been able to stick to the script he wouldn't be having any of these problems. He had to go shoot his mouth off about Russia and tapes and everything else, and created this whole glorious mess.
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    Just because you can do something doesn't make it right, or not sketchy as hell.
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    You can't understand defending someone you loathe?
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    You can't understand nobody's buying it?
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