Night Club Shooting in Orlando, FL

Infected with sin? One man's opinion I guess. I don't buy into that bible idea of we were perfect but then we screwed it up and now we suffer. Our very complex brains evolved over time to do twisted self centered shit like this. It's a side effect of being sentient sadly. We as a species have been doing this since before we were the species we are now!

He didn't say Christianity caused this, he said religious beliefs. The Muslim religion, along with other Abrahamic religions condemn homosexuality. But he is saying that Christianity is one of the religions that condemns homosexuality.

Why the paranoia?

....and three posts in the overseas idiot makes political hay over the tragedy.

I bet every guy there was packing a "pink pistol" of some sort! Seriously though unless anyone at the bar had prior warning that something might happen (and if they did they wouldn't be hanging around duh) not too much could have done armed or not. It would help, but you can't stop every bad guy with an agenda.

Let's see. Mass shooting. Homophobia. Possible Islamic extremism.

Yeah, if I'd stayed silent this thread would never have turned political.

Oh, and rating my speculation that this could be a religious nut as "dumb" has to be in turn one of the dumbest things possible, because if this guy is an Islamic extremist then that's exactly what he is. Not too smart are you?

And this is a surprise? He's our own Piers Morgan without the smarm, delusion, arrogance, and superiority complex. Oh wait he has all this - and he's IMO even more entertaining.

How about getting pissy at the poster who started turning it political in the first place?

The incident itself was political in the first place. What the hell.

If we want to get political then I think that Donald Trump (I hate to say this) has just won the 2016 presidential election.

Largest terrorist attack in the U.S. since 9-11. Sure other factors might intervene between now and then but it certainly gives credence to many of Trumps stated beliefs.

IMO (I've been wrong before) but this is the kind of shit that could (I say could) bring US citizens of differing political viewpoints together, versus divide. My reasoning? This could make people say "being gay in the US is small-potatoes. No big deal, it's their lifestyle, nothing to see. And I'LL BE DAMNED IF WE WILL TOLERATE THIS KIND OF SHIT ANYMORE! This is "the land of the free" If you don't like it (born here or moved here) move the fuck to the sandbox or some other Sharia Law ran shit-hole and boil in your primitive hate stew until you fucking die (hopefully soon). The US people should "circle the wagons" and come together on fighting this savagery. Today it was gays, tomorrow who the fuck knows who they will target next?
Yes, we deal economically and politically with Saudi Arabia and who knows who else - I get that, it's a global economy. But to do this shit on our home soil? That "line in the sand" should be our fucking borders! There were about 300 people in this club and at least twenty were killed, and many more wounded will die. These shit stains literally decimated that club.
I say we hunt them down (without violating the tenets of our own Constitution or we are no better than they are) like the fucking rabid dogs that they are. Can we all agree on that?
UPDATE! Now it's 50 DEAD! 100 WOUNDED! They came half-way to wiping that club out.
What...the....fuck?

Key word being "if." We know nothing about the shooter and have no evidence of motives of any kind and yet you'r ready to point fingers while the bodies are still warm. You're a very sad and pathetic excuse for a human being.

P.S This morning my facebook feed, which consists of people who believe in god, has shown nothing but sympathy for the victims with some who have the needed blood type donating. Not one mention of guns or gays getting what they deserved. So fuck you.

This must be your first post at Wordforge. Greetings, and welcome to the Red Room where even fat women on the subway get politicized.

Someone insulted you on the subway again I see...

I think the nature of my comments above shows you I do care about the victims....and I am not a two bob cunt who'll post some casual sentiment on Facebook and then forget entirely about what causes these sorts of things....and yes we do now know some things about the attacker.

Clearly this was a hate attack, be it motivated by religion or otherwise. You can bury your head in the sand and pretend that bigots and people driven by religion are irrelevant, but that's bullshit. Peddling hate over and over is what leads to things like this. I am angry. Angry that that sort of hate exists in the world....and that hate has to be faced at all times, not just when it suits people not directly impacted by it. I'll still be concerned by it long after you have buried your head back in the sand.

But go on you pat yourself on the back for your Facebook sympathy post.

At least 50 dead with another 50+ injured.

Gunman was wearing suicide vest.

And was a fan of Allah. A extremely big fan.

ISIS if you all recall had recently been making threats of a hit list in America. Perhaps we are seeing the first of the list being used.

And Oldfella you don't need to apologize top John. Fuck John. And El Chup. They have no problem starting politcial bullshit (El Chup started it to be fair) but always whine and bitch when someone says something on the other side of ths issue.

475 is not a lot of people.

Chicago alone killed 492 people last year.

What bothers me about El Chup isn't that he started with the political stuff. And telling untruths about fellow wordforge members from the beginning.

What bothers me is that he is quick to condemn "American culture", "American gun culture", and religion in general.

But you don't hear him condemning "Islamic culture".

ISIS have been planning attacks on all Western soil for ages. Why is this news to you?

That said, we don't yet know if this is ISIS linked. Could just be a lone wolf who has read inflammatory material online and acted of his own accord, such is the nature of social media now. Everyone can get access to any kind of viewpoint quite easily.

It's a lot where I come from, and that figure is exclusively deaths through mass killings.

I heard of this before going to sleep and wondered if it was Muslim. When I woke up and found out it was a gay club I figure the shooter is probably a white right wing guntard. They are no better than the people who shoot up French concerts.

Another attempt at a straw man Dayton?

No. You never hear me condemn "Islamic Culture" as you put it. Instead I condemn Islamic Extremism and the concept of religion. Which I've done over pages and pages and pages of posts criticing religion (all religions). I've also openly and frequently bemoaned our alliances with breeding ground sof extremism like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Oh, but according to you I never say anything negative about Islamic related issues.

The problem with morons like you and others here is that you assume that because I am against bigotry against Muslims who are peaceful, that must somehow mean that I not only condone the concept of Islam, but somehow support it. It's an insufferably stupid attitude.

It was just recently reported that ISIS has a hit list with 8000+ targets, people and locations, on it.

But yes we don't know yet if this guy was connected to any organization.

Thanks to Forbin! Hate to drop a dime on you buddy, but your gun collection in New Jersey is a direct link to the Chicago gang savagery. And I'm no angel! I have a 9 mil under my bed, and a twelve round magazine somewhere in the house....I think. So let's see now: New Jersey, Georgia, Chicago....fucking Stevie Wonder could connect these dots! I feel so guilty

Please clarify who you believe I hate as I'm not seeing the connection here. You're right on the sinner part though. I am a sinner..... and so are you.

Gay people who deserve it when they catch AIDS.

Agree with the last part: there is no need for top-down extremism leadership. If you know people will commit these acts on their own (and these acts support your goals) why risk one leak that can endanger your whole organization? They need to stay insulated as much as possible.

... But it was a Moslem.

Speaking of AIDS 25 percent of the gays in the Augusta area (this is coming from a gay community member) are HIV positive. How does that happen in this day & age? Regardless, if the terrorists have a "to do" list of 8,000 targets I hope our big gay resort isn't one of them.

Harlan Ellison wrote A Boy And His Dog. The filmed version was released in 1975. It might as well have been A Boy and His Afghan. They are doing exactly that. In 1988 Ronald Reagan personally funded the Taliban with 3 billion dollars to defeat the evils of Communism

So according to Tererun right wing gun owners are no better than terrorists. Really now? How about those 400+ people murdered in Chicago annually? Right wing "guntards" or what?
Please explain, and show your work. Sorry to disappoint but no right wing gun owner I know has ever shot up a goddam thing other than critters in the woods. But hey, you're (somehow) the expert here, so school me on what I think & believe, since I don't know.