No Scotus/Obamacare thread?

Well, the story will be over when SCOTUS says it's over.

Then there will be a sequal.

It would seem that today was even more full of fail and aids

Just like you.

I'd be shocked if the mandate isn't gone, and, since that was the means to funds the rest of this monstrosity, it's only a matter of whether the Court or fiscal sanity kills the rest of it.

The health care/insurance industry does need some reform, but ObamaCare isn't it. It's going in entirely the wrong direction. There need to be simpler, less comprehensive plans that poorer people can afford. There needs to be competition, so the market can force prices down. The truly exceptional cases need to be shunted to some smaller public system, much like the elderly are now.

We can make it better, but we don't want European-style medical care.

Well, I love how the system has needed fixing, if not an overhaul for decades, and the Republicans sat on their thumbs, stopping occasionally to sniff, until this whole deal went down.
NOW they squeal.

Aren't people neat?

Not usually, no.

Some justices, of course, being a Clinton appointee and Obama's two additions. Who didn't see that coming?

Is the fact that the Supreme Court is now one more front in the gigantic red vs. blue pissing match that's engulfed American politics for the last decade surprising to you?

Please. The court is so partisan that the only vote that matters is Kennedy. The others vote with the party of the president who appointed them pretty much all the time.

http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t1#/video/bestoftv/2012/03/28/sot-nr-toobin-scotus-day-three.cnn

CNN Legal Analyst Jeffrey Toobin says that the individual mandate is a doomed, there are 'at least 5 votes' to vote it down. The only question is how much if any of the rest of the law survives. Anthony Kennedy, the swing vote, spent yesterday discussing how the law can exist without the mandate.

He reports there is 'considerable support' that the entire law will be repealed.

We can but hope the lastl line of defense of the Constitution will do its duty and shut this abomination of a violation down.

Why is it that sometimes when people talk about the Constitution, they get all flowery and poetic like they're Patrick Henry or something?

Why, it's because they're flirting.

Alas...The Constitution of These United States of America, while being a document inspired by nay....Nay I say! A document that is the direct written Word of The Lord Our God...it is still but an inanimate object. As Such, The Dear Captain's is an unrequited love. Verily.

You found Captain J's post flowery and poetic?

Yes?

Maybe it's a regional thing, and people use phrases like "We can but hope", and words like "Abomination" all the time, and I'm more of an unsophisticated rube.

But I only ever seem to notice it when people are talking about Rights and/or The Constitution.

While not perfect, the Constitution is the best govt document out there. Seeing as it is what stands between us and govt tyranny, yes, I am very passionate in my defense of it.

I think it would be so appropriate if one of the justices wrote the majority opinion before they even voted on it, then told them "You have to pass it in order to see what's in it."

And to make it even better, it could be some huge long thing that took them each months or even years of study before they finally discovered all the details of what they were getting into in accepting it.

Isn't the American government wonderful?

While that is true, you of all people should also know that the current system is bloated in paperwork, requiring the employment of thousands upon thousands of people in data entry jobs just to keep up with it all. The bureaucracy of the system is also increasing the costs by ridiculous amounts.

Indeed.

Government would fix the paperwork and beuracracy problems.

I don't about you guys, but my dick is getting hard thinking about all the moochers that are going to fucking lose it when this crock of shit burns. I'm personally hoping for mass suicides at the Occupy camps.

But then we'll have to pay for their funerals.

Ditch.

Lime.

Problem solved.

And how did the system get bloated in the first place? It was NOT because of doctors and nurses insisting on page upon page of senseless paperwork, I can guarantee that. Nurses and doctors come to work and find a new form that has to be filled to fulfill something or other.
Yes the insurance company needs to be fixed. But I don't think that Obamacare will do that.
Caught a thing on the internet, and no, I don't have the link anymore; but among other things, they were quoting pages of the Obamacare that is now being brought to light. And none of it was good.

Most of the paperwork comes from govt regulations and the rest from CYA due to a refusal to enact real tort reform and end the tyranny of the lawyers.

It becomes ever more obvious to me that Kennedy is the swing vote on this issue.

His questions about the mandate, while seeming to show a dislike for it, don't seem enough to overcome his general favor (IMO) of "big-government" solutions and a general distaste among all of SCOTUS for breaking this thing apart and having to fight out the bits and pieces of the whole thing separately in a fashion similar to what Congress should've done in passing it in the first place.

Even the "extraordinary" amount of time they say they've given to it isn't really enough (again, IMO) to have hashed out the depths of this monster, so it almost has to be up or down.

Maybe someone has made this guess already but I really, really haven't been reading everything around here lately. But, my prediction? 5-4 Obamacare gets let slide. At that time, you're going to see some serious spin.

It needs to be tossed and some real fucking reform and answers found.

I've heard Mitt Romney helped created a fantastic health plan when he was governor...

Kennedy is the swing vote on pretty much everything. They might as well call it the Anthony Kennedy Court of the United States, because he's the only one who doesn't consistently vote along rigid party lines.

Yeah, and sometimes, I dream of having bulletproof flesh, and ripping congress apart with my bare hands like a bunch of roast chickens, so we can start all over....but that ain't gonna happen either...

He created a shitty one. So what? The Constitution does not restrict states from enacting health plans. It does prohibit the federal govt from doing so.

Of course you know that and are full of