Oh now this is just revolting

What are you yammering about? At least try for coherence, why dontcha?

Nope, there's no such name as straight ahead Ayn, she tinkered with it.

And WHY did she "adapt", the name??

http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_ayn_rand_faq_index2#ar_q3

And that's a cultural problem as well as a matter of a woman "knowing her place" in her particular society.

But of course we all think clearly when we're in the midst of a medical crisis.

Paladin, we don't know enough about lung woman's situation. It could simply be a case of her having no money and being poor. As far as citing the man with tuberculosis, the man had an airborne communicable disease. He chose to fly in spite of the risks. The two situations aren't comparable.

First the Plame thread expecting people to discuss facts and now this thread expecting people to not cherry pick what you say why ignoring the other parts and/or twist your words around?

Let me slap you with a fish. Hopefully sanity and reason will once again vacate you and make you into a proper Wordforger!

I'll break it down for you, garamet. You have no solutions or ideas. You point fingers, invent labels, and question peoples morality and intelligence without really adding anything. Paladin suggested that the employee should have contacted his superiors about the situation before cutting the power. What would you have the employee or the power company do? What is the solution to this issue? How would you prevent it from happening again? Or maybe you'd like roll your eyes a few more times and call it a day .

Exactly what the Wiki quote says. It's an adaptation.

Uh, she didn't like the way it sounded?

That only provides a guide to pronouncing it; it rhymes with "mine." Nowhere does it say she chose the name because it has any connotation of 'mine.'

You really are saying she chose to have a lung problem...

It's like trying to explain friction to a house-cat.

"No, no, Fluffy, you can't run across the linoleum the same way you run on the carpet. Your little paws are going to skid out from under you and you'll hit your head on the refrigerator, just like you did yester -"

WHAM!

"Aw, poor Fluffy!"

If she had needs, it was up to her (or whoever supports her) to find ways to fulfill them. The same rule we all have to live by.

He said that *after* he said "if you can't pay the bill, you deserve to die."

Or something slightly wordier than that.

And I don't see you offering solutions to anything, just jumping on the bandwagon.

No...it's being aware that you have a lung problem.

YOU MEAN BY ASKING FOR PUBLIC ASSISTANCE???? OMFG!!!!!

I dunno, every Randist site I can find uses the "mine", rhyme.
She seemed quite proud of it.
Why be upset?

Garamet, I keep denying that I'm saying anything of the kind. I guess I'll have to keep denying it because you keep making that charge.

She (and her husband and her family) should've been responsible adult human beings. I maintain that it was irresponsible to risk her life on an uninterrupted supply of power. Even if she had no payment problems with the power company. She was one power outage away from death, with absolutely no back-up.

I don't know about you, but I expect a little more out of people than I do out of housecats.

I think she was aware, asshole.

Now, go back outside and pick some more money before it gets dark.

If it is available to her, why not? I'm not arguing about the virtues of public assistance here; I'm only suggesting that, pragmatically, if it is available and one's life is on the line, not taking it is unwise.

But even if not, did she have no friends, extended family members, local associations, religious organizations, charities, etc. to which she could turn?

Garamet calling someone a dirty name. I can't ever recall seeing that before. You really got her riled up Marathon.

Or maybe it's just that he's an asshole?

Considering she HAD a payment problem, how? Grow a money tree in her yard like the one marathon apparently has? I've met 10-year-olds with a better grasp of "there wasn't enough money to pay for that" than what I'm encountering in this thread.

I used to. Careful on the linoleum, there, Fluffy.

Ah...the name calling

No...it's called being aware of your problem.

My father is allergic to bottomfish. We were out to dinner once, and my father ordered fish (not bottomfish) for dinner. Because they ran out or for whatever reason, he was served a portion of halibut instead, but wasn;t informed until he'd already eaten some. Plan A...depending on an everyday service (an accurate menu) failed that day. Fortunately, the everpresent Plan B, an epi-pen, made the incident result in just a very unpleasant couple of hours rather than a death. Your logic suggests that my father somehow chose to be allergic to bottomfish.

Plan B should always be something more than just sobbing about how Plan A failed.

1. Please provide a link to where I say that.
2. I may have said it *after*, but I said it in my very first post on the subject.

I will say the following:

1. If you can't pay the electric bill, then you deserve to have no electricity.
2. If you are dependent on electricity for your life, it is unwise not to pay the electric bill.
3. If you can't afford the electric bill and are dependent on electricity for your life, it is unwise to wait until disconnection day to seek options.
4. If you are dependent on electricity for your life, it is unwise not to have a back-up.
5. If you are dependent on electricity for your life and it is disconnected, it is unwise to avoid taking immediate action.

But you and your kind want to do away with public assistance.

Maybe that's where she got the two payments she made that month. I'm guessing that poor people tend to have poor relatives and friends.

Just like Propertarians have this bizarre notion that someone who can't pay a few more bucks on a utility bill can just ask God for a backup generator.

May I remind you of this statement if you ever become a quadraplegic because some drunk hit you with his car and you can no longer work, but need constant expensive medical care to live?

Careful on the linoleum, there, Fluffy.

Exactly. And you can't argue an assertion based upon a premise that your opponent doesn't accept...in this case that there is an entitlement to constant power, or medical care for that matter.

He NEVER said anything about deserving to die. His argument is about responsibility and may lack the sympathy you demand, but don't make shit up. The man flat out said said that exceptional cases deserve special consideration. Are you crazy, stupid or blind?

My opinion: This was very tragic. The tech on the scene should have exercised some humanity and judgement. The woman should have gone to the hospital. The power company should train employees for this and have some SOP in place.

1-2 seem to add up to "if you can't pay the bill, you deserve to die", the rest just seems like equivocating the point.

Sure. But irrelevent to the matter at hand. If it was an option, she should've taken it.

That surely wasn't her only course of action. But I still maintain that relying on continuous electricity for her life, in and of itself, was irresponsible.

If I walk over to Safeway, grab a chicken pot pie and head for the door...


...do I get to claim that by not letting me have it they're condemning me to die? Food is, after all, a necessity.

I'm not angry at all. I made a purely cold-blooded assessment of something so self-evident it shouldn't need to be said.