Polanski to face justice?

Wow. Thank you for that post Liet.

See, despite being a moron most of the time you can occasionally put together something sensible and coherent.

What would you call it? It wasn't exactly consensual, but he didn't exactly drag her into a dark alley and put a knife to her throat either.

If you can think of a better term, I'm all ears.

Has someone hacked Liet's account? I mean a rational logical post from him.

Probably a copy-and-paste from some other place no one would ever think to check.

Yeah. He just drugged her and did it when she said no.

Good Lord, you need to get a clue.

Has this been posted yet?

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Yeah...she and her mother were idiots for letting her go off with a 43 year old man to take pictures of her. I imagine her mother thought it was safe to let her kid go off with such a famous person.

But how is a photo shoot a date? It's not like he "asked her out" nor would most sensible people believe his offer to take pictures was supposed to be considered a "date".

And you know...even if it was date rape...how is that any better or ok? Is a date now to be expected to include drugs and forced sex acts in your world? Are you insinuating she was asking for it by being there?

Do you really expect a 13 year old child to be sophisticated and knowledgeable enough to be on equal terms with a 43 year old man?

The better term is forcible rape...she said NO, many times and he ignored her. There is zero excuse for that. None. At any age!!

I think "rape" works just fine. And as many here have said repeatedly, HE HAD ALREADY PLEADED GUILTY AND FLED THE FUCKING STATE BEFORE BEING SENTENCED, YOU MOUTHBREATHING PIECE OF DONKEY FUCK.

Even Liet gets it.

Since he never served his sentence and the judge never approved the plea bargain in finality, I wonder if the charges could still be reopened and a new trial set for the brutal rape of a 13 year old child.

Not needed. Sentence him for the crimes he's already been convicted of, plus time for evasion, and be done with him.

Well, the issue is a judge still has to approve his plea bargain. If the Judge says no to his idea of a two week stay on the French Riviera, it would have to go to trial I would think.

I think the plea bargain was accepted...that is why he is only charged with the statutory rape instead of forcible rape which is a heavier charge.

I think this guy has had enough leeway...give him the max penalty for both his plea bargain and the max penalty for gosh..I imagine he could get several charges...bail jumping, leaving the country, obstruction of justice.

Pile it on and toss his ass in the clink. He's made a mockery of justice long enough, IMO.

Here are the directors and other scum who expressed their support of Mr Polanski (to them I guess it ain't no big thang):

Woopi Scumberg
Woody Allen (big surprise)
Martin Scorcese
David Lynch
Debra Winger
Ethan Coen (who?)
Tilda Swinton (who?)
Jonathan Demme
Monica Belucci (Ouch. That's one 40-something I'd really love to bang)
Michael Mann

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Terry Gilliam - Admin, please change my username back to Fluffy. Fuck Brazil. Not joking, would sincerely appreciate it.


Those names from the Dragnet vid posted by Ash - since so many don't watch vids.

I'm just interested to see that 14th Doctor considers an evening with a child a date.

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FWIW, I do believe the victim's sincerity about wanting it dropped: Polanski never actually paid the civil settlement, so she's not under a gag agreement.

I've said before I'm a fan of the medieval Icelandic justice system. For the most serious crimes, in addition to restitution, and/or for failure to pay promised restitution, an offender would be declared an outlaw, and no one would be punished if they did anything to the offender. Nowadays that means imprisonment. Same principle, we just call it due process, and the person doing "anything*" is the government or even a private prison.

Roman Polanski is an outlaw. He should be treated as such.

*limited by the 8th amendment.

This I wasn't aware of, but it comes as little surprise. Everything I'd read left the impression he paid it. Apparently those that I have read omitted this little fact or I overlooked it, but I lean towards omission.

All the more reason for him to fry, here I was thinking the girl/woman had been monitarily compensated, not that that is a good thing mind you, and now I come to find out he skipped out on that too.


On a happy note, the Swiss minister has declined to release Polanski while he awaits extradition citing him as a flight risk.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091006/ap_en_mo/eu_switzerland_polanski

I can't believe he thought he could convince anyone he isn't a flight risk.

Well Polanski's defenders in the Entertainment industry keep topping each other in the "I can't believe they said that.."department...after Whoopie's "It wasn't "rape rape""comment..along comes TV critic Tom Shales of the Washington post who said during a online exchange "..in Hollywood I am not sure a 13-year-old is really a 13-year-old".

Now even if you by that..there's still the little matter of the drugging and raping which Shales seems to want to shrug off as no big deal...these people really do live in their own world don't they?

^I can actually see where Shales is coming from there, fater all the victim had previously had sex, taken alcohol and drugs.

And look at Drew Barrymore when she was young.

Now where Shales may see redemption for Polanksi's actions, I see a condemnation of a bunch of prissy, self-obsessed arseholes, who feel they're partying on Olympus, and quite happy to corrupt children.

Hollywood needs to stop defending Polanksi, and start asking how the fuck they got into the business of introducing 13 year olds to sex, drugs and booze?

This argument consistently falls on its face when you realize that Polanski himself KNEW that the girl was thirteen.

Of course the girls previous actions mean nothing. She said no. Everyone agrees to that part. Even Polanski.

Oh and that aside I don't care what anyone says but you will know the difference between a 13 year old and a 18 year old.

That I have to disagree on, when I was around 21 I was interested in girl I thought around my age, then I found out she was 13 and backpeddled...

Physically bigger than me, in a nightclub, and acted a lot older. She passed for 18 easily.

They're rare, but such girls are out there.

Some of my favorite directors... Sigh.

Here is the petition:

And this is a full list of the signatories so far:

Fatih Akin, Stephane Allagnon, Woody Allen, Pedro Almodovar, Wes Anderson, Jean-Jacques Annaud, Alexandre Arcady, Fanny Ardant, Asia Argento, Darren Aronofsky, Olivier Assayas, Alexander Astruc, Gabriel Auer, Luc Barnier , Christophe Barratier, Xavier Beauvois , Liria Begeja , Gilles Behat, Jean-Jacques Beineix, Marco Bellochio, Monica Bellucci, Djamel Bennecib, Giuseppe Bertolucci , Patrick Bouchitey, Paul Boujenah, Jacques Bral, Patrick Braoudé, André Buytaers, Christian Carion, Henning Carlsen, Jean-michel Carre, Mathieu Celary, Patrice Chéreau, Elie Chouraqui, Souleymane Cissé, Alain Corneau, Jérôme Cornuau, Miguel Courtois, Dominique Crevecoeur, Alfonso Cuaron, Luc et Jean-Pierre Dardenne, Jonathan Demme, Alexandre Desplat, Rosalinde et Michel Deville, Georges Dybman, Jacques Fansten, Joël Farges, Gianluca Farinelli (Cinémathèque de de Bologne), Etienne Faure, Michel Ferry, Scott Foundas, Stephen Frears, Thierry Frémaux, Sam Gabarski, René Gainville, Tony Gatlif, Costa Gavras, Jean-Marc Ghanassia, Terry Gilliam, Christian Gion, Marc Guidoni, Buck Henry, David Heyman, Laurent Heynemann, Robert Hossein, Jean-Loup Hubert, Alejandro Gonzalez Inarritu, Gilles Jacob, Just Jaeckin, Alain Jessua, Pierre Jolivet, Kent Jones (World Cinema Foundation), Roger Kahane, Nelly Kaplan, Wong Kar Waï, Ladislas Kijno, Harmony Korinne, Jan Kounen, Diane Kurys, Emir Kusturica, John Landis, Claude Lanzmann, André Larquié, Vinciane Lecocq, Patrice Leconte, Claude Lelouch, Gérard Lenne, David Lynch, Michael Mann, François Margolin, Jean-PierreMarois, Tonie Marshall, Mario Martone, Nicolas Mauvernay, Radu Mihaileanu, Claude Miller, Mario Monicelli, Jeanne Moreau, Sandra Nicolier, Michel Ocelot, Alexander Payne, Richard Pena (Directeur Festival de NY), Michele Placido, Philippe Radault, Jean-Paul Rappeneau, Raphael Rebibo, Yasmina Reza, Jacques Richard, Laurence Roulet, Walter Salles, Jean-Paul Salomé, Marc Sandberg, Jerry Schatzberg, Julian Schnabel, Barbet Schroeder, Ettore Scola, Martin Scorsese, Charlotte Silvera, Abderrahmane Sissako, Paolo Sorrentino, Guillaume Stirn, Tilda Swinton, Jean-Charles Tacchella, Radovan Tadic, Danis Tanovic, Bertrand Tavernier, Cécile Telerman, Alain Terzian, Pascal Thomas, Giuseppe Tornatore, Serge Toubiana, Nadine Trintignant, Tom Tykwer, Alexandre Tylski, Betrand Van Effenterre, Wim Wenders.

EDIT: new names

Isabelle Adjani
Antoine Aronin
Paul Auster
Morgane Beauverger
Candice Belaisch-Goldchmit
Yamina Benguigui
Pascal Bruckner
Jessika Cohen
Philippe Corbé
Jean-Paul Dayan
Katarina De Meulder
Arielle Dombasle
Nathalie Faucheux
Corinne Figuet
Pierre Forciniti
Louis Garrel
Albert Gauvin
Johanna Gozlan
Davide Homitsu Riboli
Taylor Hackford
Isabelle Huppert
Neil Jordan
Thierry Kamami
Milan Kundera
Gaelle Lancien
Claude Lanzmann
Bernard-Henri Lévy
Sam Mendes
Camille Meyer
Patrick Mimouni
Yann Moix
Mike Nichols
Sandra Nicolier
Marie Nieves Perez Neël
Salman Rushdie
Carine Sarna
Ysabelle Saura Del Pan
William Shawcross
Olivier Soares Barbosa
Steven Soderbergh
Nil Symchowicz
Danièle Thompson
Eugenia Varela Navarro
Diane von Furstenberg
Scott Foundas
Margaret Walker
Elsa Zylberstein

This is still old news because I read as of Monday that the petition has over 700 names of Hollywood twits on it now. Natalie Portman, Adrian Brody and Penelope Cruz are some of the most recent signers.

I don't get it...I really don't except that maybe they all just support a different standard of justice for themselves and the details of his crime don't matter as much to them as the idea he get special treatment for being an artist.

To see women supporting him is even more mystifying. It's not like there is doubt of his guilt...he is an admitted child rapist. Hell, the child part is even somewhat irrelevant...the man raped her and these people think it's okay if he avoids the consequences of that.

It completely flummoxes me.

^Playing devil's advocate, they claim to be upset that Polanski was nabbed in what was presumed to be a neutral territory at a neutral event.

I could see someone saying, "Yes, Polanski is scum and deserves ultimately to be brought back to face justice. But the manner in which he was apprehended was questionable and worth protesting."

If an American citizen were arrested by Swiss police in preparation for being extradited to China or Iran, which held that the person had become a fugitive after being convicted of a crime, I think people would more readily see a problem with that.

That would depend on the charges and their legitimacy, Raoul...

That only shows their abysmal stupidity. Saying Switzerland is "neutral" does not mean they allow crime, or that it is a place of refuge for criminals from other countries. And in what way is a film festival any more "neutral" than a baseball game, a day at the office, or a visit to a museum? Their dismay at him being arrested at that event in that country only shows that they think that they are somehow above the law because it happens to be an event that is part of their "world." My esteem for Hollywood personalities continues to diminish.

I wonder if it would be possible to put in place a Constitutional amendment that makes it illegal for people stupid enough to sign that petition to vote?

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The manner is irrelevant. A call went out for his arrest and he was arrested. Switzerland is not "neutral" territory where anyone can go hang out. It's a country like any other country with it's own extradition laws and treaties.

The neutrality thing was only ever applied at the nation-state level during the World Wars and the Cold War. It never applied to individual people.

As for an American citizen it depends on what he did and how he was convicted. The odds however are against someone being extradited to those countries because very few countries have extradition treaties with China or Iran and since neither country is big on actually having proper trials no one is likely to support such an effort.

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