Progressive messaging in media.

Fun fact: Cyndi Lauper released "girls just wanna have fun" 41 fucking years ago.
Ben Shapiro is 40.
Guess he missed it.

Speaking of being old, I just looked up Disney movies starting with the year I was born, and they actually made more live-action than animation in that period.
WAY more!
Turns out this shit's a cycle!
From when I was 0 to 4, their only animations were " The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh" and "The Rescuers".
Then there was "Pete's Dragon" and that was a live-action hybrid.
Hey!! Everyone forgets that live-action/CGI remake!
Where was the "go woke, go broke" crowd for that one?
Oh!!! It was 2016, and Trump wasn't sworn in yet!
Almost like this is just all shit, and has nothing to do with real convictions.
The culture war wasn't a good grift yet for hacks.
Needed formalizing before they found the courage.
Oh, please, UA, lecture us again about "it's all political!! ".
Please do.

*Wikis the plot to "Pete's Dragon (2016)"*
Ope!! Yeah!! There we go!! The fashy crowd would have had stuff to cry about here!
The villains are hunters and lumberjacks!
Tree hugging!
Tantamount to communism!
Where were the "minor source of entertainment annoyance" brigade?
Where were they?
Weren't "Disney adults" a thing yet?
Maybe they were closeted.
Hmm...

One of the reasons I love Netflix is I get a lot of Korean/asian and other nation and cultures making movies. There are so many more asians and people from south america than there are people who are white american or white american adjacent like Canada and the UK. They all have their cultural differences and different movie making styles. This idea that hollywood is the only option is just fucking obtuse and ignorant.

That is production monopoly that has really been toxic in creating a very elite beauty and popularity illusion. White european people are a worldwide minority by a lot. They are a majority of the power and money holders that is toppling, but that power and money has formed a very unhealthy demand for white people that is not consistent with people.

Corporations have recognized that the world is their environment and the world does not want to be pitched white people are awesome and what you want to be. It is so fucking sad that people like UA and FF cannot deal with that.

If they think white people are all with them with that, they are so wrong. They are really a minority that cannot hold onto the reigns of worldwide power. The world is not wrong in not putting the white male snoflake first, it is the white male snowflake that was sold a bogus idea that they could ever have been the ideal. That is not hating on white males because I do not want them gone, but I do not want them being the primary form. Maybe we do not need a primary form.

The Harsh Data Behind ‘Barbie’ and Taylor Swift’s Success

https://insidethemagic.net/2024/02/disney-blames-anti-woke-boycotts-for-latest-disaster-nk1/



No, Bob, nobody hated Black Widow for being female. Try again.

if you read the article you'd catch that the "anonymous(e)) exec" is saying the reactionaries are the issue, not the ideal of inclusion itself.

But hey... congratulations on your perceived success in the fight for "whites only" spaces?

Always blame the fans when you’re crappy move flops.

but they often aren't fans in the first place...

how many times did you go see the original little mermaid in theatre?

what do you know about the source material?

But hey, keep fighting for those whites only spaces

They cherry pick data. Go woke go broke is supposedly the cause of the little mermaid remake being off, but that logic becomes a fail when woke ass barbie was one of the biggest movies and anti-woke productions like Ben Shapiro movies are not anywhere near a huge breakthrough success.

The only thing they can do is pretend based on selective datasets that completely ignore the obvious fact they are wrong.

The racists just want to lie to themselves and pretend they are right and owned the libs. Meanwhile all their crying is completely racist, sexist, and homophobic in nature. They are really angry because the regular people are treating racists like trash instead of cowering to their bullying and prejudice while the groups they hate on are making strides and pushing white only spaces where they belong. That is into their private houses where they can be caged up and never leave because no one wants to deal with their shit anymore. Even places like WF where it seems to have been created to cater to racists tossed out of TrekBBS have shifted to getting rid of the most radical racists. Now all we are left with is UA and the boy crying because they cannot be directly racist anymore without a vacation.

Inside The Magic, like Reason before it, is another site that sold out to new wacko owners who hide behind their old reputation.
They're clickbait trash at best, CHUD fodder at worst.
Figures UA loves them.

Aunt Alice needs their safe space.

I do not know how much the live action little mermaid ads to the story. The older Disney animation was revolutionary and holds up today. It added a new Disney happily ever after story ending to a tragedy fairy tale. It also added some high end, for the time, animation and some new catchy songs. What does this new one really add to the story? It is great it ads inclusion, and that is a selling point, but it is not going to be a blockbuster without some new radio present songs, some additions to the story, and some effects that can only be appreciated in the theater. The idea that just having a black little mermaid was going to cause everyone to come give white ass disney a new billion dollar blockbuster was stupid.

The black little mermaid is a huge effort on white ass disney to exploit a black presence for white profit. It is not an original black production being made by black people. It is as whitewashed as the african stylings of the lion king. Even more so because this is just putting black people into white fairy tale setting. Do they even have black inspired art?

UA is not totally off that this was an attempt to include black people into a white fairy tale dynamic. It is still the same disney little mermaid story. As for the families, they can wait for the streaming and get it cheaper than spending 50 dollars to take their kid to the movies. This was never going to be big in the theater. If your kid could not wait for the little mermaid you could always have them singing to the old disney movie by shelling out a couple of dollars if you don't have disney plus.
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Black inclusion is great, but if you think it is going to be a blockbuster just because black actors, you are probably wrong. It is not that people are going to avoiod it because of the black actors, like UA lies about, but because there is no real reason to drag your kids to see it because they are not going to appreciate it. The few that are are not going to make it the blockbuster every disney movie has to be or else it is a failure in the eyes of disney. Sometimes you do these things for art's sake and it is not going to make a profit, but it does have reason for people.

I am also all for doing it just to wring the tears from UA and the CHUD racists. Thanbks for kicking them in the balls Disney, but I only saw the other disney little mermaid once or twice, and have no interest in seeing it again. I love TLK, but I was not going to see the live action TLK either.

I am so over Disney. At this point I say give it to the white nationalist WASPs. I really do not like Disney anymore, and it is sort of like Biden. Take their shit down as far as I give a fuck. Disney is slime and scum. Disney has been sanitizing things WASPy forever, and I am sick of it.

I feel dirty even fighting for a Disney movie. UA is right, the only reason Disney has a black little mermaid is because it wants to make money off of a black little mermaid after spending way too much time pushing out white fairy tale princesses. I am happy that some little black girls find joy in a black little mermaid, but fuck you Disney. You really should already have a bunch of black IP, and you don't. You buy other people's black IP, and you keep pumping out new white princesses all the fucking time.

Disney is the empire of racism and cultural appropriation. It is good you are finally inclusive, but you are not a hero. You are not edgy. You come in when it is safe and try to make a buck by changing the color of the little mermaid rather than actually hiring some black production and putting out something that has not been whitewashed and sanitized for the white population by your people. They really miss the real lesson that even with all their whitewashing of any blackness in their color palate, the racists still pitch a fit. You are never going to find a balance of white enough black characters to make people like @Uncle Albert and @Steal Your Face not cry their racist tears.

I don't hate Disney for having a black little mermaid. I hate them for trying to make her palatable to white racists and demanding we buy it or else they won't do it anymore because it does not make enough money when you only put it in a dead horse.

Yes I saw him hiding behind excuses.

have you actually seen any of these movies that you're so upset about having brown people in?

no? didn't think so.

Don't have to be "upset" to remark on something. Be less sensitive, princess.

And I try not to give money to people who hate me when I have a choice.

You're pretty irrelevant and none too bright... I'm fair certain nobody cares enough to hate you.

I'm not the one who's sensitivities are offended by brown folks in what were previously whites only spaces... maybe you should try something smaller, like drinking fountains or swimming pools.

Well I'm no "dress up as a personality" assclown, but I am right in the "white men bad" crosshairs. I'm sure you've apologized enough for existing, though.

Shitty race swap hack jobs are EXACTLY your speed.

I love it that when someone produces a statement from Hollywood actors/directors/producers that undermines your point, you are like, "And you believe them?"

And when someone asks for you to produce an example of Hollywood that supports your point, you claim that actors have overtly stated that their purpose is "representation and identity politics above all else" and you refuse to produce an actual example of this. And then blame us for not having seen it.

Again, if this existed, it should be a simple thing to remember and link to Actor X or Producer Y saying something like, "It's important to cast Black people in this role even though it waters down the movie" if that were a common occurrence. I'm sure that plenty have said "It's important to diversify the movie industry" but the part where they say "above all else" is just in your own head.

But even we spotted you that at some point Hollywood personalities said that the most important thing to them was diversity and screw the artistic vision, quality, the money making capacity of a movie etc., why wouldn't your standard apply that they might simply be lying about that?

Sure, yeah. I'll hold my breath and wait for someone representing a huge corporation to overtly admit racist hiring practices.

Chik-Fil-A was pretty bullhorn about their homophobia.

You're the one who claimed that they did admit it. Repeatedly.

So just admit that you're wrong about that and move on.

Or say "well they didn't admit it, but these projects showed that they cared more about diversity than making a good product for these reasons." So far as I can tell, you've named Amazon's The Rings of Power, and while I haven't watched it, you haven't been willing to put forth arguments how the diversity in that project made the show substantially worse than if it had been the same show but with competent white males (or whatever races/genders/orientations) in certain positions/roles.

Le sigh.

Two propositions.

First- "No white men." Overtly racist.

Second - "Here are the qualities we are seeking in new applicants: *lists everything but white and male*" Not Overtly racist.

Both your propositions are wrong in the context of this discussion.

In the context of Hollywood casting, "No white men" is not always "racist." in the sense of "rooted in the belief that one race is superior to others." Indeed, the notion that The Rings Of Power should have white actors because that parallels what Tolkien envisioned is not racist against minorities who could fulfill that role. Saying "no white men should play Galadriel" is not sexist. Saying "we want a black woman to play Galadriel" is probably ill-advised, but is not inherently rooted in the notion that blacks are better than whites.

Your second proposition is wrong on several fronts:
1. You yourself have discounted the notion that we can take the listing of the qualities desired at face value. So even if the listings did explicitly say "we want everything but white men," by your own terms we can't necessarily trust them.
2. Taking the listings on their face as accurate, the listing linked somewhere above, and I presume all other listings unless you show a link otherwise do not say list everything but white and male. They say such things as we value a diverse environment. Which is not saying "no white men need apply." It's saying "we want not just white men, but people from all backgrounds."
http://www.wordforge.net/index.php?posts/3524202/
This link says that Disney wants 50 percent of its characters/actors/producers to come from "underrepresented groups," which includes not just race, but gender, sexual orientation, military status, disability status, age and whatever else receives legal protections.
It's you reading into this that it is primarily race.
3. Saying that qualities a, b, and c explicitly as valued does not mean that qualities d, e, and f are not also valued, or that quality a is deemed more valued than quality e. The lister could think that some values go without saying. The listing probably does not include "must not be a pedophile" because it is taken for granted that the entirety of the pool will be non-pedophiles.

I once again am asking the board's PTB to expand the amount of time people have to edit their own posts to, say, 24 hours. Not that FF will ever believe that there aren't stealth edits being done or that it is worth trying to mollify such a concern, but that would allow for such a concern to be addressed, while giving time for people to add thoughts, correct typos and the like within a reasonable time frame.

Anyway, another couple things to point out:

4. The standards UA linked to above are presumably aspirational. In other words, it is not as though a project that has less than 50 percent "diverse" roles/management will get shit-canned.

5. Because the standards are so fluid in many respects, they are relatively easily met depending on how you look at the stats. Let's take a film from the 60s like Dr. No. I don't think anyone would reasonably argue that it is a woke film that puts diversity over quality. But I'd guess an audit of its characters would still find that half come from traditionally underrepresented groups by the definition Disney uses. In fact, it may be higher than 50 percent. Commander James Bond and numerous others are military people; there are a number of women (Moneypenny, Honey Ryder and a couple others Bond interacts with/shags), there are minorities (Quarrel at a minimum. I believe Doctor No is supposed to be Asian or Asian mixed.).

Ironically, the black people in Dr. No are represented as tough, smart and worthy adversaries for Bond, while a decarde later in "Live and Let Die" many of them come across as racial stereotypes and caricatures.

Geoffrey Holder made a mint later as the 7-Up guy though.

So says the guy cosplaying a tough guy. You could not be more dressed up with some chaw and a F150. There are accountants on harleys with gang leather jackets they bought on ebay that are less dress up than your ass. If you were to dress like your personality you would be a fat orange guy on a gold golf course crying about how the manicured rough was too extreme for your little white balls.

Not just as the 7-Up guy. Dude had a pretty varied career both on and off the screen.