Propose Solutions to Avert Spree Killings Here

Page 3 is still stuck. Dammit.

What's the source for that? I'd like to pass it along.

So only people with an extra 200 dollars for the ATF stamp can be spree killers? That's discrimination, so expect a call from Eric Holder. :santa_angry:

It's not hard to get pepper spray. If they can get ciggrettes they can get pepper spray. If they wanted to hurt another kid with scissors they could just get in my desk, they don't. If they want to use pepper spray on a kid they will bring it. There are all sorts of "weapons" laying around a classroom at any given time, they don't seem to use them. Students do seem to show some restraint.

The solution? Lock up the lunatics. It's politically incorrect, but fuck political correctness. The problem is not the availability of weaponry. That's been constant, and millions of Americans have elected to not shoot up schools and businesses. The clinical psychopath community, on the other hand, does not have such a sterling record. Lock them up. Does it hurt their feelings? Who. Gives. A fuck. Compare hundreds of dead innocents to the "feeeeeeewings" of psychotic fucking nutbars. There's no comparison. At the earliest sign of psychopathy, lock the fuckers up. Make sure that they're denied access to firearms forever afterward. Make sure they don't live with anybody who has firearms forever afterward.

Period.

Done.

I probably shouldn't mention the only "executive action" that I think should involve guns and Eric Holder. But I think its safe to say that he should be fired.

I like John Castles idea. The sane man's guns are not as big a threat as the insane that might use them. Anti-gun nuts want to limit rights "for the good of society" so let's limit crazy rights for the same reason. Fair is fair!

Actually, I have quite a bit of experience with mentally unstable people through family ties, and I know firsthand that proper resources, attention and care can lead to someone who has pretty serious mental issues leading a semi-productive life.

I don't understand why more people don't support this and keep wanting to arm teachers.

Put officers in the schools with their guns and their rifles and give them the training to take out or suppress active shooters until back up arrives.

Unless they're there all day, every day, they won't make a difference.

Which school shooting was it where the school had an assigned officer, but it was their day off?

Agreed.

It is a revolving door in the jail I work at. If they aren't capable of living on their own and not being a troublemaker they need to be locked up.

In fact in many ways it would be better for them. Jail is no place for true psych people.

And that's fine as long as it works. But if they are violent or causing problems then they need to be locked up in the mental hospital.

They do have one.

However it is modeled after the Federal one from 1994 and as such the rifle used was legal under the law.

http://www.cga.ct.gov/current/pub/Chap943.htm#Sec53-202a.htm

http://www.jud.ct.gov/lawlib/law/firearms.htm

Well obviously we'd have to have enough officers to cover the school day every day.

Otherwise there would be no point in having them.

I've got to hurry and buy an evil assault rifle. Just cause I can.

And they should probably be searching the students when they come in, right? One student sneaks a gun into a classroom and locks the door, they'll be able to kill a lot of people before security responds.

Let's just cut to the chase and call it TSA:K-12.

So, Raoul, there's your answer. How to prevent spree killings? Moar Gunz.

As for my "solution" to avert killing sprees: Teach self-defence, and go back to encouraging self-defence as a response to attacks like this. Make sure the teachers know how to fight back, and make sure they will fight back.. Make sure the students know how to fight back as soon as they're able. It won't stop attacks tomorrow, but the next attack is far more likely to be stopped sooner if the potential victims are fighting back instead of hiding and running and cowering. Eventually you reach a point where the story isn't "gunman massacres dozens," but rather "gunman fails to get off a shot before being tackled and choked out by a 105 lb kindergarten teacher."

Create an environment where, when an attacker wants to go somewhere and shoot a bunch of helpless victims who won't fight back, there's nowhere they can think of to go. And do it by giving people knowledge, not weapons.

On this I agree.

As soon as a shooter walks into a classroom everyone should be throwing stuff at his face. He will flinch as it's human nature to duck away from something being thrown at your face. Then everyone including the teacher should dog pile on him and fight. Choke him out. Yes a couple may get shot and killed but a couple is a lot better then 20.

And that is why it will never happen in our schools. People will freak out. "You want kids to attack a gunman? Are you crazy?"

Even though that policy is the most likely to save the greatest number of people outside of arming teachers or having armed police at all times on schools grounds.

I'd say that people on airplanes attacking would be hijackers has done more to stop hijackers then anything the TSA has ever done in its entire history.

Self defense lessons are definitely good. We also should require that somebody demonstrate knowledge of safe practices before buying a gun. I go back to the fact that the mother never should have kept the guns in an accessible location. Did she know that they needed to be secured against access by her nutjob son? Did anybody ask her this?

Now add these two things together.

Better mental health care isn't about removing the stigma, but about making it accessible to those that need it.

Well, that and it sounds like y'all really need to tighten up on requirements for proper storage to keep the guns away from the nut cases in your families.

Easily done and still people will act as this mother did and place weapons in reach of those who shouldn't be holding them.

So while you're demanding an extra police presence in the schools, your budget should include door-to-door inspections of every gun-owner's home to make sure their weapons are secure. Heavy fines for offenders should cover the extra outlay. Right?

Then we should consider holding the original owner criminally liable if it's found that their failure to secure a gun resulted in its use in a crime.

You get that this woman was getting, like, a quarter million dollars a year in alimony, right? Is it seriously your position that she didn't have access to health care?

Are you saying she's the norm?

Not sure I agree with this one. Or many of the ways in which we remove rights from individuals who have felony records. It really depends on what we think prison is for, punishment, or rehabilitation. If it's the former, okay, if it's the latter, then removing rights isn't a good way to get someone to integrate properly with society. As far as guns go, it should be a function of the crime committed, and require a demonstration of rehabilitation.

Can't disagree with those.

I'm not sure how much I agree with this one. I don't think people realize how prevalent medication is for depression, even among those who are police officers. Additionally, depression is not a one size fits all term, depression has depth depending on the individual suffering. The same goes for anxiety. This actually highlights what part of the problem is, as a country we have a very poor understanding of mental illness.

Not sure how I feel about national databases...of any sort.