Propose Solutions to Avert Spree Killings Here

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Ah, right, we've thrown the obvious rational solutions under the bus....so time to run out the clock....

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Edit: Ah, there we go.

Swallow your food first.

Eliminate gun free zones so that people can be both armed and vigilant for crazies with a weapon. I think this it the most rational course of action and the one that will provide the most success. I have never seen mass punishment provide a good result.

I don't think that would ever work in real life.

Drawing a concealed weapon and shooting an assailant looks great on television and in theory.

In reality, there is no physical way you can outshoot someones gun that is already drawn.

Notice how people bitch and moan whenever police shoot and kill someone because they think it "looks like he has a gun".

Police will tell you that if you "wait to fire when you can see his gun" then you are way too late.

Not that I agree with EP, but that's not necessarily true.

There are probably exceptions.

They aren't exceptions because there's simply no rule. There are too many variables. You just said "someones gun that is already drawn." Okay...so it's already drawn. Where is it pointed? Where is the perp looking? Is there any cover? Is the perp moving? Are you moving? Does he know you're armed? Has he even noticed you yet? Someone with even a moderate amount of practice can draw from concealment and fire two aimed shots in a second or less. And don't forget that action is quicker than re-action.

And are you wearing your pretty floral bonnet?

Kill them all and let god sort 'em out?



(If someone beat me to this, great. The thread has reached TL;DR status.)

If you're smart enough to hack into a government database to gain access to the records of who owns a gun and who doesn't, then you're smart enough to hack into banks, Amazon, Best Buy, etc. and get whatever you want that way, with no risk of getting shot by someone who owns an unregistered gun.

I doubt even someone who was looking to do a "hit" on someone would bother hacking into the database to see if their target was likely to be armed or not.

Considering the number of trigger-happy cop stories that turn up, I would want them to demonstrate training as well.

As for the military, I'd say it would depend on the branch. I don't know how much combat the Coast Guard sees, for example, and there aren't a lot of guys outside of the Seabees that are feet-on-the-ground familiar with weapons in the Navy, either (I had someone drop an entire magazine by accident, which bounced over teh side of the ship from being careless ).

The rest I agree with.

Generally after about 3 hours of attempting to qual, infantry soldiers get sent sent over to help coach the remaining POGs on the line. In order to coach well, you need to be able to see where they are hitting, good thing your ACOG has 4x mag, so you put it up on the Sandbag next to them and 'spot' them from there. Amazingly after only one round of this the POGs are qualified and we can pack the fuck up and go back to clean weapons and hopefully get home before midnight.

Oh, and I never trained on or qualed on an M9 until I got to SWCS.

Molon labe, motherfuckers. Come and take them.

What's that? "Thank you for saving us from the Germans twice"?

You're welcome.

My solution:

Arm the teachers, but not necessarily with guns. We need phasers, dammit. On the stun setting. Surely, with the tazers we have nowadays, it won't be long before people come up with a phaser. They are non-lethal except in rare cases, but the public will accept armed teachers because phasers won't be considered "deadly weapons of assault". Heck, even bear spray would be better than having nothing.

Also, there are probably some engineering solutions to building a school that would make it harder for people to come in and shoot up 20 children. Have desks that double as cover. Make them out of material that can withstand bullets, so when someone walks in brandishing a gun, the children can take cover. Make it so there are sturdy walls in the classroom that the kids can duck behind. Make it harder for gunmen to spray and pray and kill that many kids. Have multiple entrances and exits to a classroom so kids can be evacuated or run away.

Deal with this like terrorism, because that's what it essentially is. Take away guns, and the next big thing will be suicide bombers or someone trying to spread poison in schools. A terrorist's dream is to have a room full of people bunched up who can't defend themselves and have no where to run. There's a reason why these guys target schools, movie theaters, and arenas.

You don't have to arm teachers. Putting police officers(School resource officers) in the schools has proven to be very effective, especially when backed up with decent access management systems.

Fuck that.

Competitive shooting is not in any way, shape or form a reason to allow large capacity magazines.

The difference between your hobby and mine is mine doesn't make it easier to kill innocent people. This is the very definition of 'unintended consequence.'

If part of the price to lessen the chances of the next Newton is getting rid of competitive shooting on NBC, then boo fucking hoo.

This isn't an isolated incident. This is the 29th time since the seminal horrific gun attack of our generation (Columbine) that a mad man has picked up his guns and started shooting large numbers of innocent people. Its happened eight times this year.

An armed officer on site did little good at Columbine.

You bring up Columbine? You point out that the first school shooting of large-scale at our generation happened five years into the assault weapons ban of 1994?

A few honest questions for those who really know guns: What type of guns were used in last Friday's attack? Are they guns of the type that gun-grabbers like to call "assault weapons"? Had they been modified to make them fully automatic, the way Demiurge was describing? What kind of "magazine capacity" did they have?

All I've heard is that it was a Bushmaster AR-15. Everybody says it was totally legal, so it was probably semi-auto. The most common magazine is a 30 round, so that's what I'm assuming he used, but they also have 5 round magazines up to 100 round or more drum magazines.

I'm actually kind of surprised that there isn't some kind of assault weapon ban in Connecticut though. I guess I'd just always assumed there was.

I thought he only took in the handguns as they were concealable and the AR-15 was left in the car. But I really don't know for certain.


Maybe all classrooms should have pepper spray in them. It won't kill/hurt the bastard but it will put him in a world of hurt and it may distract him long enough so that one can kick him in the balls and drop the him so he can be unarmed. And even if it's only set off in the room it can make a person tear up really bad, enough to distract them or make them leave.

If it is to be available, it should have to be on the teachers' persons at all times, rather than just "in the classroom." I don't see any other way of having it available while keeping the risk of it falling into kids' hands at a strict minimum. If the kids could get at it (while the teacher is out of the room, or distracted, or something), there is too much of a risk of someone using it on someone else, as a joke or just to be mean. And it really is nasty stuff.

@Aenea - yes, that was what was initially reported.

However, police have officially said that it was the Bushmaster .223 used for the attack, as well as for gaining entry (he shot his way in to the school after being denied entry).

The handgun was only used for the final shot - when he killed himself.

At least, that is what is publicly available now.

There has been no mention if the Bushmaster was converted, so I'd assume no at this point. MAOS is correct in the types of magazines available, but what was used hasn't been released to my knowledge.

That's pretty much always where the discussion ends up, isn't it?

Meanwhile, anyone want to bet we'll see at least one more mass shooting before Friday?