pussforge strikes again and her name is the listkeeper

Yes, it was.

I need to get my drama fix from somewhere. The Enterprise forum's jumped the shark since MA closed.

You know, I don't exactly think Listkeeper is the best mod out there.

However, if he changed a thread title to protect the sensitivities of a young girl, that's not bad moderation.

It's called compassion and sensitivity.

Sometimes you guys seem to think a BBS is a fucking democracy. Newsflash, it ain't. Things get done and sometimes good sense has to trump free speech or even consistency.

We didn't adopt it, everyone did, it's even evident in your statement. Emphasis mine.

This is a separate issue involving Listy accusing Volpone of knowingly ignoring requests from TKO to change the thread title. Volpone never recieved a PM from TKO and was not online when her displeasure was made public. It deserves a retraction at the least.

In listkeeper's defense he was not aware that there was a set time limit of 5 minutes for changing a thread title.

I think that the creation of Wordforge (and the subsequent movement of many posters to here) kind of implies that many people don't agree with the TBBS admin stance on these things.

'k, didn't know about that or other behind the scenes stuff so I can't really judge it.

However, changing the title was so very obviously the best thing to do, at least from where I'm sitting.

While true, this needs to be remembered.

The Red Room (10 Viewing)
Discussion of sensitive issues, philosophy, politics, religion, and often bizarre combinations of all four. Moderated lighter than the rest of the board.

Moderated lighter, not unmoderated.

I'm well-aware of that. My point is that this place is no better (or no worse), merely different. It has its own unique strengths and its own set of problems. Perhaps moderation at times is not such a bad thing. Too much is bad, but too much "free speech" online ends up with what, 12 pages in one thread, and at least two other threads on shit that isn't worth half a page.

And while I may be sometimes the first to shake my head and groan at some of the things listkeeper does (you'll never see it though, because that's not how this works), it was just the changing of the thread title, not a bullshit warning or banning, just a thread title change; and I agree fully with his decision.

That's a cop out. Well it didn't take toooo many high handed decisions from on high, before we started adopting it as well. It was almost as soon as Cass started labeling anybody who complained about anything, a Troll.

I made those comments based on what he said in his comments about the issue AFTER he returned, not on the inaction itself. I do apologize for implying he was a rapist, but the general notion that TKO or ANYONE should have to put up comments of that nature if they are directed at them that level of discomfort is wholly unacceptable.

Cop out or not, it doesn't really matter.

It's only Us vs. Them, if you interpret it as we're against you. The actions of one single administrator in the past doesn't determine all of the actions or the tone for the decisions of every administrator in the future.

But I have a feeling you'll think its Us vs. Them regardless of what I say.

Storm is Storm. Sometimes you're going to get people who are absolute dicks online and yet are adored. That's online life. If they bug you, you either slap 'em on ignore (or just ignore them) or just tell 'em to fuck off when they bug you. On here, people have the freedom to tell him (or me for that matter!) to fuck off if they want to do so.

It's only when they cross the line into outright harassment that people need to pull them up short. Part of online is dealing with all kinds. In this case. TKO has learned a valuable lesson about some online assholes. She'll learn in future to either be careful, or she'll learn how to fight. Either works. (Before the men squawk, not all men act like asses online and plenty of women do too.)

1) Who is any person to judge what is worthy of discussion and what isn't.

2) If you are so convinced that these matters aren't worthy of discussion why have I seen at least half a dozen posts from you on the subject?

Who said one single admin? I just picked the first and the easiest for 3:30am.
She is by no means the only one, or the last.

I have read plenty of things on this board that suggest some admin/mods of WF do have a very us/them attitude to things.

This sets a precedence that says that anything which can be construed as sexual harassment can be edited out at a whim, so long as you complain. If a future poster feels sexually harassed by seeing swear words, or mention of genitilia in not-so-politically correct terms, they could, too, get the title changed because it makes them feel 'uncomfortable' or sexually harassed.

Since the founding of Wordforge, we've gathered here because it was a place where you could say what you wanted, and not have to worry about making people feel uncomfortable. THAT is our niche here on the internet, and if people did not like it, they were free to visit other more sensibility-friendly sites.

The exception, of course, would be anything that would get this site in trouble with the law in real life, such as, during Cassandra's reign, Nazi memorbilia, and in the present, things such as how to run your own meth lab, or how to download child porn. We also make exceptions for when people get their real-life information posted in public when they don't want it to be.

That SHOULD be the only consideration here when a mod changes a thread title. Will it get the site in trouble with the law or cause repercussions for someone in real life? I don't see that being the case here. All else, such as thread titles that are extremely derogatory or vile should be handled like every other incident in the past, i.e. we ran them out on a rail.

Even though this has become a major clusterfuck, I don't really blame The Listkeeper. A guy is suppose to step in and protect a young woman when she feels harassed. It's suppose to be in our nature, or I reckon you don't have a right to call yourself a man.

But even though Listkeeper's changing of the thread title was, by all accounts, backed up by the noblest of intentions, I think that nevertheless, it was the wrong call.

1. Thems that owns the board. Or thems that get stuck with keeping order.

2. Because I feel like it. I do have that right. I feel it could have been handled without 9,000,000 posts wringing hands over it, or getting angry and I'm free to say that. My comments are more of a "Good lord, you've got to be kidding me. Why all the fuss?"

I just think it was badly handled but then again, lately that seems to be the way here. 50 page threads fighting on stupid shit. As a poster, it's funny as hell to read, but it's really pointless.

In the end, I guess it doesn't matter. I'm bored and here and what the hell, eh? I'm not out to be mean to anyone or fight, I'm just putting my tuppence in. Read it or slap me on ignore or whatever. It's all the same to me.

Actually, what disgusts me the most about the whole thing is the insults aimed at TKO over this. She has a right to feel offended, when as a young girl she plays at on-line flirting and some people don't know where to stop it. For all the talk about Storm, I bet that if she made it known that his jokes offended her and made her cry and made her feel like a sex toy, he would immediately apologize and back right off. That is radically different from the "Fuck you, fuck TKO, and fuck this board" that Tex started his thread with. I can never, ever, ever respect someone for saying something like that to a young girl who has always been one of the nicest posters around, just because she (as a 17-year-old virgin) was offended about a reference to her being "deflowered."

Where I come from, grown men do not treat girls like that. Period. It just isn't done, nor is it thinkable. If the girls want to flirt and joke about sexual innendo, fine--as long as it doesn't bother them. But when it goes over a line--even if the men don't understand why some "line" they didn't even know existed was crossed--then they stop it, right then, and they apologize.

But I'm probably too old and old-fashioned for some of you to understand that.

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Goddamn Nick, I just read your comment. Bingo. You see too much.

No, most of us agree with you, the only disagreement is how the smacktards should be dealt with.

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Out of rep, though.

EDIT: Aimed for Scorp's post

This complaint only has merits by the fact that it was a minor involved. Had it been any other poster it most likely would have been subsequently ignored (as it should be).

And that brings things right back to the question of if minors are unable to play by the Red Room rules what should be changed? The Red Room, or their ability to access it?

That's not a decision for anyone but the big man to decide. However, because at the moment minors are able to access the Red Room, certain things will still not be tolerated.